Stem Cells cure Blind Man
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@dafunk Because what I said about religion offends you that much? I already wrote a response to what you just quoted where I explained my opinion quite briefly.
The other thread you mention was a middle of the night after xmas rant and I think I don't even have to comment on that.
Sorry, I won't get into a beef over the internet. You'd do better by taking your time to grab a beer and relax instead of getting all emotional.
Why mention God again. It's more about the Church (which is an organization that doesn't have much to do with God these days) and science.
The other thread you mention was a middle of the night after xmas rant and I think I don't even have to comment on that.
Sorry, I won't get into a beef over the internet. You'd do better by taking your time to grab a beer and relax instead of getting all emotional.
Why mention God again. It's more about the Church (which is an organization that doesn't have much to do with God these days) and science.
In no way I mean that the Church is really needed and could not be replaced by any organization controlling ethics in this case.
Although the fear and reward for behaving morally wrong/right still seems to affect a lot of people who would behave wrong if they didn't get punished for it. Some people would restrain themselves from committing crimes not because they're scared of jail but because they're afraid of going to hell.
The fact that you and me have healthy moral systems doesn't mean that someone else does. Religions seem to still work for them and kick in where everything else has failed.
However - my only point I was trying to make in this thread is that religions were in fact supporting science and that it's not entirely bad in this case like some people seem to think.
So your (Jokerman's) first (or second if you count the "me and Duke are fools" one) paragraph is pretty much what I was trying to tell.
Just to make it clear - I don't go to Church and I justify builidng Churches just for the culture diversity sake and out of respect for other peoples' beliefs.
However I think some people see me as the prime Bible thumper on this board.
It's just that most religious guys on this boards seem to ignore these threads even if there are ridiculous statements involved. I understand that this place is dominated by atheists but whenever there's a sign of religion there are also extreme sentences and bashing.
Even while trying to clarify something I get shitted on. So anti-religius behavior is always good, no matter how extreme and with no merit just because it's anti religious. Whenever anyone comes up with anything that stands in defense of a religion, even if it's backed up with facts and is pretty obvious here it's idiotic.
Anything is being used to shit on religion. Even saying that it's not entirely black or white thing is wrong here because it's so obvious that there's nothing good about religions and all they do is evil :unsure:
The hate is unbelievable.
Although the fear and reward for behaving morally wrong/right still seems to affect a lot of people who would behave wrong if they didn't get punished for it. Some people would restrain themselves from committing crimes not because they're scared of jail but because they're afraid of going to hell.
The fact that you and me have healthy moral systems doesn't mean that someone else does. Religions seem to still work for them and kick in where everything else has failed.
However - my only point I was trying to make in this thread is that religions were in fact supporting science and that it's not entirely bad in this case like some people seem to think.
So your (Jokerman's) first (or second if you count the "me and Duke are fools" one) paragraph is pretty much what I was trying to tell.
Just to make it clear - I don't go to Church and I justify builidng Churches just for the culture diversity sake and out of respect for other peoples' beliefs.
However I think some people see me as the prime Bible thumper on this board.
It's just that most religious guys on this boards seem to ignore these threads even if there are ridiculous statements involved. I understand that this place is dominated by atheists but whenever there's a sign of religion there are also extreme sentences and bashing.
Even while trying to clarify something I get shitted on. So anti-religius behavior is always good, no matter how extreme and with no merit just because it's anti religious. Whenever anyone comes up with anything that stands in defense of a religion, even if it's backed up with facts and is pretty obvious here it's idiotic.
Anything is being used to shit on religion. Even saying that it's not entirely black or white thing is wrong here because it's so obvious that there's nothing good about religions and all they do is evil :unsure:
The hate is unbelievable.
Everyone knew what you meant youre just back tracking now... regardless...
Example...
You're clearly not talking about some nut, you're talking about people with power and influence, the Church. And the fact remains the Church has never said it is unnatural and is FOR stem cell research, not against it.
You made some shit up or your friends did and you took it as fact and ran with it and now you are back tracking but you whole little rant was based in bullshit.
Im all for stem cell research.
Im not particularly religious in the Christian sense.
But what I am, is against people bashing a group of people, any group of people, by blaming them for things they didnt even do or say.
That is what you alluded at Casey, deny it all you want.
As for Bush? Bush is an idiot.
Example...
You're clearly not talking about some nut, you're talking about people with power and influence, the Church. And the fact remains the Church has never said it is unnatural and is FOR stem cell research, not against it.
You made some shit up or your friends did and you took it as fact and ran with it and now you are back tracking but you whole little rant was based in bullshit.
Im all for stem cell research.
Im not particularly religious in the Christian sense.
But what I am, is against people bashing a group of people, any group of people, by blaming them for things they didnt even do or say.
That is what you alluded at Casey, deny it all you want.
As for Bush? Bush is an idiot.
But you don’t seem to understand that you are not defending the Church or religion because you want to set the record straight when atheists get it wrong. You are doing it because you have at least some faith and you like some of the traditions. But for most atheists defending it in any way is like defending the Nazis because you’re German and unemployment went down under their rule, or because they supported science. All factual but who cares?! Most people are not going to bring that up when someone is bad-mouthing them, unless they are neo-Nazis or anti-Semitic. And so only a religious person cares that the Church supported or supports science in some way. Or likes them better for putting a Tupac song on their playlist. Fuck them! Destroy them! Wipe them off the face of the earth forever. They are beyond full of shit. Their Popes and bishops and cardinals are beyond full of shit. Their priests are dysfunctional pedophiles or sexless freaks. God is the most immoral, psychotic myth ever invented. If you don’t feel this way, you have been conditioned by your upbringing. Religion has had 2000 years to prove itself worthy as a guiding moral force. It has failed miserably and should be utterly wiped off the face of the earth, like the mythic cites of Sodom and Gomorrah.
Bad decisions over the centuries pretty much put the church where it is now. There are times where they could have supported science, and worked hand-in-hand with scientists and inventors of the past but kinda blew it. The church now is in the position it is because of them. I do think, that some of the younger generations are much more liberal and pushing for a sort of 'silent-reform', by so I mean praising the use of science for good, such as stem-cell research. The problem is that those in charge are of the old conservative religious school of thought, and these individuals think that things should be as they were. This just doesn't work in our society nowadays. If things were to change, it should start now to salvage whatever they can for the better of people, focusing on as Jokerman proposed; a guiding moral force. I'm an optimist, so I never think it's too late to change and I've seen some Bishops and Priests actually stand up for advances in medical science and technology, these men of faith have placed emphasis on human ethic and morality over traditional rules of religion. The problem is, they are few and do not have the authority to push forward this reform.
Just my 2 cents on it.
Just my 2 cents on it.
Everyone knew? Who's everyone? Certainly not you, unless you can read my mind.
Um, the church do not have any power or influence, certainly not in my world.
Yes I was talking about the people with power and influence, you know what those people are called? P-O-L-I-T-I-C-I-A-N-S, many of whom are conservative religious whackjobs, like George Bush Sr who once said "I don't know if atheists should even be considered citizens, this is one nation under god"
Someone's angry today. I made up nothing and there was no bullshit in my post at all. Not sure why you're pulling random attacks at me out of your ass, you thought I meant something that I did not, and never meant.
I care not for the opinions of any religious institution because they have no authority.
It's the people that do have power and make their decisions in the name of those organisations that are the problem. There is NO place for religious belief in politics and yet most of these peoples decisions are guided by their retarded beliefs.
Um, the church do not have any power or influence, certainly not in my world.
Yes I was talking about the people with power and influence, you know what those people are called? P-O-L-I-T-I-C-I-A-N-S, many of whom are conservative religious whackjobs, like George Bush Sr who once said "I don't know if atheists should even be considered citizens, this is one nation under god"
Someone's angry today. I made up nothing and there was no bullshit in my post at all. Not sure why you're pulling random attacks at me out of your ass, you thought I meant something that I did not, and never meant.
I care not for the opinions of any religious institution because they have no authority.
It's the people that do have power and make their decisions in the name of those organisations that are the problem. There is NO place for religious belief in politics and yet most of these peoples decisions are guided by their retarded beliefs.
Well, I am a spiritual person but the only religious tradition I participate in is Christmas.
I posted in this thread just for the sake of clarifying things when people mentioned that Church has always limited science and it was the only point.
yeah it's terrifying.
Again, it was just to clarify things while others were saying the opposite. Simple historical facts.
See, taking single incidents and saying that priests are pedophiles is what atheists love to do.
A guy who claimed to be religious shot someone? Let's blame millions of others and the whole religion - they're killers!
I invented a moral God for me :amuse: He's my invisible friend.
Seriously, every religious person perceives God otherwise and I doubt that anyone's God is what the Bible describes.
I think the opposite, but like Rukas and others said - they failed with single bad decisions. So now atheists really like to point out bad decisions by the Church as an organization instead of seeing good things the religion provides.
I posted in this thread just for the sake of clarifying things when people mentioned that Church has always limited science and it was the only point.
yeah it's terrifying.
Again, it was just to clarify things while others were saying the opposite. Simple historical facts.
See, taking single incidents and saying that priests are pedophiles is what atheists love to do.
A guy who claimed to be religious shot someone? Let's blame millions of others and the whole religion - they're killers!
I invented a moral God for me :amuse: He's my invisible friend.
Seriously, every religious person perceives God otherwise and I doubt that anyone's God is what the Bible describes.
I think the opposite, but like Rukas and others said - they failed with single bad decisions. So now atheists really like to point out bad decisions by the Church as an organization instead of seeing good things the religion provides.
religions bad decisions, backwardsness, forced regression of society, halting of progress, and brainwashing outnumbers anything positive they do.
i mean if you had a guy that seemed and acted like the nicest guy ever, gave loadsa money to charity, went to developing countries and built houses and homes, opposed wars and fought for peace.....but then he raped a kid - that guy is a child molester.
Nobody would care about the other shit he did.
i mean if you had a guy that seemed and acted like the nicest guy ever, gave loadsa money to charity, went to developing countries and built houses and homes, opposed wars and fought for peace.....but then he raped a kid - that guy is a child molester.
Nobody would care about the other shit he did.
A study by the U.S. Conference of Catholic Bishops in 2004 stated that about 4% of US priests since 1950 have been accused of sexual abuse of children. But that's only accused. There are probably many victims who have remained silent and not come forward. So it's more like 5-10% for US priests. I doubt they're any better in other countries. Whatever the real impossible-to-determine percentage is worldwide, it's not 0.01% as you want to believe.
Ratio is the keyword. Sure the Church founded a university here or there, on their own terms mostly.
Let's not forget that most of the ancient Greek science has been preserved by the Moors and the later Egyptians.
The Christians burned the books, cos it was made by heathens.
It's not "singling incidents out" when there are a shedload of incidents.
If it's really that high there's something wrong then.
But accused doesn't mean guilty. After some scandals I can see accusations going on, especially in the US.
There were single scandals here also but I doubt that there are more "child molesters" amongst priests than amongst casual, especially not religious people.
Are there any reliable studies on this though?
Not only "single universities here or there". Some countries had universities only thanks to religious groups.
I agree that a lot of silly things happened because of religious groups too.
But accused doesn't mean guilty. After some scandals I can see accusations going on, especially in the US.
There were single scandals here also but I doubt that there are more "child molesters" amongst priests than amongst casual, especially not religious people.
Are there any reliable studies on this though?
Not only "single universities here or there". Some countries had universities only thanks to religious groups.
I agree that a lot of silly things happened because of religious groups too.
Sex is awesome, every person should get their shag on. I go without sex for a week, I end up looking at the cracks in the sidewalk and get horny.
I couldn't imagine what happens to you when you don't get it for a lifetime; I'd prob cut off my own dick in a lapse of sanity and wave it around like a medieval flail. (Yes, my penis can crush mortal skulls)
I couldn't imagine what happens to you when you don't get it for a lifetime; I'd prob cut off my own dick in a lapse of sanity and wave it around like a medieval flail. (Yes, my penis can crush mortal skulls)
The latter is definitely true, but the two aren't mutually exclusive.
On this board, religion is significantly misrepresented. The passionate atheists/agnostics outnumber the passive believers. The believers who aren't passive, aren't much knowledgeable on the subject. Therefore masta is inclined to try his best and even the field up a bit.
When I'm on this board, I find the religious hate a bit sickening. When I'm outside the board, I find the strong devotion to religion sickening. I guess I'm not a big fan of people who hold very strong beliefs and strongly adhere to any philosophy, doctrine, or organization. I find it frightening.
Anyway, Masta didn't mention church missions, maybe they're not big in Poland. But US church missions do a ton of good for the minorities, the impoverished, the developing world. In the US, religious organizations have a significant role in helping the less fortunate, the homeless, the drifters. Who gives the homeless a place to sleep at night? Churches do.
But hey, the atheists will always just see the wrongdoings.
On this board, religion is significantly misrepresented. The passionate atheists/agnostics outnumber the passive believers. The believers who aren't passive, aren't much knowledgeable on the subject. Therefore masta is inclined to try his best and even the field up a bit.
When I'm on this board, I find the religious hate a bit sickening. When I'm outside the board, I find the strong devotion to religion sickening. I guess I'm not a big fan of people who hold very strong beliefs and strongly adhere to any philosophy, doctrine, or organization. I find it frightening.
Anyway, Masta didn't mention church missions, maybe they're not big in Poland. But US church missions do a ton of good for the minorities, the impoverished, the developing world. In the US, religious organizations have a significant role in helping the less fortunate, the homeless, the drifters. Who gives the homeless a place to sleep at night? Churches do.
But hey, the atheists will always just see the wrongdoings.
Most people here argue in terms of black/white thinking and leave out the shade of grey. That's been my observation - Which is sad cause in our daily lives we generally live our lives in a shade of grey. Who knows, maybe some people here suffer from Borderline Personality Disorder and they can't help it. lol.
Only person that seems to look at both sides of the spectrum is Chronic and see where people are coming from instead of getting lost in his own self-righteousness whether he be religious or an Atheist, but that naughty lad is hiding from me. :angry:
Also, keep in mind we're online now. I'm sure many of you are not the same in person as you are online, Social experiments aside ... *Cough-S-Endz-Cough*
Only person that seems to look at both sides of the spectrum is Chronic and see where people are coming from instead of getting lost in his own self-righteousness whether he be religious or an Atheist, but that naughty lad is hiding from me. :angry:
Also, keep in mind we're online now. I'm sure many of you are not the same in person as you are online, Social experiments aside ... *Cough-S-Endz-Cough*
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