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I never said anyone was "plotting against anyone". I said that an abnormal amount of people who would claim to live by the phrase "love they neighbour" when in a church or religious group, forget it pretty damn quickly when push comes to shove. And I'm not saying that it's exclusive to those people - I'm just saying that the people who are usually the most VOCAL about it, say it to keep up appearances. My own motherinlaw quit the church because of that kind of hypocrisy.
Nah, thats not what i meant. I wasnt talking about the most offensive topics.
What i mean is, its okay to criticise someone for their belief or political view because the person actually chooses to see things that way. Or the person could change the point of view if he/she really wanted to.
Now its a totally different thing with race and sexual preference. Last time i checked i couldnt pick my sexual preference.
What i mean is, its okay to criticise someone for their belief or political view because the person actually chooses to see things that way. Or the person could change the point of view if he/she really wanted to.
Now its a totally different thing with race and sexual preference. Last time i checked i couldnt pick my sexual preference.
Im not actually an atheist, because I accept the fact that there may be a god, i just assert the fact its a pretty ridiculous idea to take religious views as fact. I'm happy to accept there may be a god, because until either opinion is proven, I can't guarantee my opinions are correct. I just choose to live by things that I know to be the most logical answer, and happily live without unimportant things such as god, as the fact that i'm happy with life is enough proof to know I don't need religion.
I put Athiest down on forms and such cos there isn't an option for "Nothing".
I put Athiest down on forms and such cos there isn't an option for "Nothing".
It's like being atheist is the new cool thing to do. There was the youth movement with the Beatles, this new "atheist movement" is what's gripping the age group of 16-30 year olds. It's now "cool" to bash religion. People forget that some of these religions were created by some of the smartest civilizations in history. People that invented the number system, made huge contributions to astronomy and other sciences, all were part of the same society and great minds that came up with the concept of religion. I'm sorry, but I place a lot more credibility into those minds, from thousands of years ago, than I do some guy on the internet whose argument consists solely on bashing the opposition. "Bringing yourself up by putting others down" immediately comes to mind. This isn't directly at you, Casey, this phenomena is widespread across the internet on sites like Digg and Reddit where something remotely atheist or anti-religion is super-dugg or upvoted like crazy.
I look at the people that are anti-religion and extremist about it. Not those that have their own views on religion and choose not to share them. Those that stroke their dicks to articles degrading religion. Most of these people also are quick to bash those more fortunate than them, mostly by financial standards. So I am led to believe that atheists spend most of their time on the internet looking for Digg articles on atheism to upvote, work a shitty job that allows them to spend this much time on the internet (cubicle job, 9-5, stare at a screen for nine hours and then come home to complain about it), and are jealous of those with money so their idea of fun is taking pictures of Ferraris and BMWs illegally parked in handicapped spots and threaten to key it...in the comments section..because they're "douches." (Yes, this exists, go to Reddit) Does that generalization sound right to you?
I mentioned earlier, I am no psychologist. But from the few classes I took, I've concluded that in order for someone to really loathe something, that thing must have kicked sand in said person's vagina. And they did nothing in retaliation and now they are hurt...and hold a grudge against that thing based on that one experience. Again, I'm not referring to anyone, but someone's post in here said something along those lines and I agree with it. Like a fear of water after "almost drowning when I was three" or a fear of bees "after it stung me for 'no reason.'" There are atheist extremists. I feel extremists, in general are created of either a misunderstanding/misinterpretation or having a few bad experiences with "the other side."
I would also like to take you guys way back to my tennis_dog days. Look at my last few posts before I was banned. Why was I banned? Because I said I hated Muslims in a thread full of Muslims. There's a reason this forum has turned into a fraternity and it's because of the favorism. I personally don't feel excluded, although I have been victim of only one particular instance of hypocrisy (the aforementioned banning). I was a junior in high school at the time, and would like to think I've grown since then. Four years later, I don't hate any group, religious or non-religious. It just gets to me, some atheists.... When they say "religion brainwashes you," yet they try and "brainwash" and "convert" you into atheism. Aren't most atheists liberals? Freedom of choice? I can't choose whether I want to be religious, apathetic, or atheist? This is why I lump Christian/Islamic extremists with atheist extremists. They don't allow the rest of the population of the word to "not give a fuck" as they argue meaningless shit.
One day, we'll see it, someone will go around and rape women, kill them, fuck their skulls, eat the children, open fire in a nursery, cut his dick off, shit in a cup and throw it on two girls, fart on a cake, fuck a horse, and finish his day off by breaking a beer bottle in his asshole. The cops will find him and question him before his execution and say "what do you call the act?" And he will say "the Aristocrats..I mean atheism." Because there is no God and nothing happens to us when we die, why should I not do these things?" I wanna see how quickly this mirrors the defense of religious folks and see if atheists spin it in another light to prevent from looking like the very same people they bash.
There isn't an easy solution to this problem. That's why the question has existed for so long. An internet forum has never solved a major world problem, nor will it ever.
I look at the people that are anti-religion and extremist about it. Not those that have their own views on religion and choose not to share them. Those that stroke their dicks to articles degrading religion. Most of these people also are quick to bash those more fortunate than them, mostly by financial standards. So I am led to believe that atheists spend most of their time on the internet looking for Digg articles on atheism to upvote, work a shitty job that allows them to spend this much time on the internet (cubicle job, 9-5, stare at a screen for nine hours and then come home to complain about it), and are jealous of those with money so their idea of fun is taking pictures of Ferraris and BMWs illegally parked in handicapped spots and threaten to key it...in the comments section..because they're "douches." (Yes, this exists, go to Reddit) Does that generalization sound right to you?
I mentioned earlier, I am no psychologist. But from the few classes I took, I've concluded that in order for someone to really loathe something, that thing must have kicked sand in said person's vagina. And they did nothing in retaliation and now they are hurt...and hold a grudge against that thing based on that one experience. Again, I'm not referring to anyone, but someone's post in here said something along those lines and I agree with it. Like a fear of water after "almost drowning when I was three" or a fear of bees "after it stung me for 'no reason.'" There are atheist extremists. I feel extremists, in general are created of either a misunderstanding/misinterpretation or having a few bad experiences with "the other side."
I would also like to take you guys way back to my tennis_dog days. Look at my last few posts before I was banned. Why was I banned? Because I said I hated Muslims in a thread full of Muslims. There's a reason this forum has turned into a fraternity and it's because of the favorism. I personally don't feel excluded, although I have been victim of only one particular instance of hypocrisy (the aforementioned banning). I was a junior in high school at the time, and would like to think I've grown since then. Four years later, I don't hate any group, religious or non-religious. It just gets to me, some atheists.... When they say "religion brainwashes you," yet they try and "brainwash" and "convert" you into atheism. Aren't most atheists liberals? Freedom of choice? I can't choose whether I want to be religious, apathetic, or atheist? This is why I lump Christian/Islamic extremists with atheist extremists. They don't allow the rest of the population of the word to "not give a fuck" as they argue meaningless shit.
One day, we'll see it, someone will go around and rape women, kill them, fuck their skulls, eat the children, open fire in a nursery, cut his dick off, shit in a cup and throw it on two girls, fart on a cake, fuck a horse, and finish his day off by breaking a beer bottle in his asshole. The cops will find him and question him before his execution and say "what do you call the act?" And he will say "the Aristocrats..I mean atheism." Because there is no God and nothing happens to us when we die, why should I not do these things?" I wanna see how quickly this mirrors the defense of religious folks and see if atheists spin it in another light to prevent from looking like the very same people they bash.
There isn't an easy solution to this problem. That's why the question has existed for so long. An internet forum has never solved a major world problem, nor will it ever.
But do you believe its logical to trust the word of another man? Don't forget your holy book whatever name it goes by was written by a man. Most were written during era's where historical evidence opium use was wide spread. Does that really make it a reliable source of truth?
As for religion "bashing", its not about that, its about using your intelligence, you don't need religious views to use it, and in many many cases, religious views inhibit the use of intelligent logical thought. So why waste time with it? Just use your brain, life is much more productive that way. Its about thinking for yourself man, if you gotta look to religion to find logic, something is wrong.
As for what you said about science and so forth, those people where shunned, made to look insane, and made out to be criminals because of their defiance of god, take Socrates for example.
As for religion "bashing", its not about that, its about using your intelligence, you don't need religious views to use it, and in many many cases, religious views inhibit the use of intelligent logical thought. So why waste time with it? Just use your brain, life is much more productive that way. Its about thinking for yourself man, if you gotta look to religion to find logic, something is wrong.
As for what you said about science and so forth, those people where shunned, made to look insane, and made out to be criminals because of their defiance of god, take Socrates for example.
but while we might think that, let's agree that there are more intelligent ways to express our disagreeing opinions.
i agree with kellz. attacking someone's social identity is extremely offensive. and that includes race, sexual orientation, gender, beliefs, culture, etc. even if they are by choice or not.
i stopped at the part that i made bold.
i think that people should take what they want from religion and leave what they don't like. they are some good things in all the religions, but also a lot of bad things. if you wanna go down the history path, you can see that there have been a lot of deaths and abuse caused by those religions.
and i think some people are seeing the light and refuse to associate with religions whose leaders abuse their followers and keep them in the ignorance. and you can't blame those individuals.
i'm not religious because i think it's bullshit. but if you wanna go ahead and believe in something, do it. i think religions are good in the sense that at the core they are based on good values, but they also are used as means to abuse and in my book that's just not right.
and don't go on saying people who are atheists have no values. that's just bullshit. i know atheists that are better good doers than most religious people i know. and don't go around saying atheists have no values, not being part of a religion doesn't mean that person has no values.
ps discoveries back in the days were discouraged because it went against the religion. (earth is the center of the universe vs the sun is the center of our universe, for example)
i agree with kellz. attacking someone's social identity is extremely offensive. and that includes race, sexual orientation, gender, beliefs, culture, etc. even if they are by choice or not.
i stopped at the part that i made bold.
i think that people should take what they want from religion and leave what they don't like. they are some good things in all the religions, but also a lot of bad things. if you wanna go down the history path, you can see that there have been a lot of deaths and abuse caused by those religions.
and i think some people are seeing the light and refuse to associate with religions whose leaders abuse their followers and keep them in the ignorance. and you can't blame those individuals.
i'm not religious because i think it's bullshit. but if you wanna go ahead and believe in something, do it. i think religions are good in the sense that at the core they are based on good values, but they also are used as means to abuse and in my book that's just not right.
and don't go on saying people who are atheists have no values. that's just bullshit. i know atheists that are better good doers than most religious people i know. and don't go around saying atheists have no values, not being part of a religion doesn't mean that person has no values.
ps discoveries back in the days were discouraged because it went against the religion. (earth is the center of the universe vs the sun is the center of our universe, for example)
Yeah, well, if you want to see it this way, religion might be part of someones social identity. However, i cant see any reason why you shouldnt attack a part of someones social identity (which is his/her religion in this example). You didnt give an explanation to this either. You just said you dont do it.
Its offensive to them. So what? Im definitely not walking around telling everybody i dont agree with them on some issue. But something being offensive is not really the question to ask here. So, yeah, both of you are not making any point. At all. ( See that, Illmatic? I shit on their views even though they are not new members...but because they make no sense).
Its offensive to them. So what? Im definitely not walking around telling everybody i dont agree with them on some issue. But something being offensive is not really the question to ask here. So, yeah, both of you are not making any point. At all. ( See that, Illmatic? I shit on their views even though they are not new members...but because they make no sense).
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