Pakistan wants Facebook CEO Zuckerberg dead
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The people you have mentioned in your example are doing these bad things because there is no god, hell or heaven? Like: "Yeah, im gonna kill someone today because there is no god"? That makes no sense.
If thats not the case, your comment is flawed. The people we (sometimes) are talking about are the ones who want to kill because their religion/god or whatever wants them to do it (at least thats what they claim).
If thats not the case, your comment is flawed. The people we (sometimes) are talking about are the ones who want to kill because their religion/god or whatever wants them to do it (at least thats what they claim).
Ugh, seriously, I believed you as an intelligent member. You like most Muslims fail to see the hatred to you cause for your own people.
This isn't about Islam bro, its about the behaviour of Muslims. It is your behaviour, not your religion, that people hate. Your religion doesn't teach you to behave the way the majority of Muslims do. If anything typical Muslim behaviour is blasphemous in its own right. And again, you did nothing to say "hey, us Muslims can be rational people", you did the typical Muslims thing and ignored any constructive conversation and generalised every word in this thread is Islamaphobia, instead of using any rationality.
You guys disgrace your own religion, wake up and realise why people hate Muslims. Do something to constructive and give Islam a good name, change the view of your terrible behaviour which you did not learn from the Qu'ran and show the world Muslims can behave like normal rational people.
This isn't about Islam bro, its about the behaviour of Muslims. It is your behaviour, not your religion, that people hate. Your religion doesn't teach you to behave the way the majority of Muslims do. If anything typical Muslim behaviour is blasphemous in its own right. And again, you did nothing to say "hey, us Muslims can be rational people", you did the typical Muslims thing and ignored any constructive conversation and generalised every word in this thread is Islamaphobia, instead of using any rationality.
You guys disgrace your own religion, wake up and realise why people hate Muslims. Do something to constructive and give Islam a good name, change the view of your terrible behaviour which you did not learn from the Qu'ran and show the world Muslims can behave like normal rational people.
Well, not everyone. Don't you read of stories of killers saying "God told me to do it?" If everyone in society was, ideally, atheist, it doesn't mean there won't be those that are mentally ill that will still kill or do other "bad" things. What if instead of saying "God told me to" they say "so what if I did this stuff? It's not like I'm gonna get in trouble once I die."
Sure there would still be people doing bad things. I would never claim the opposite.
They wouldnt get in trouble after they are dead, but, theoretically, they should value their life on earth much more because its the only life they have. So committing a crime and spending 30 years in jail is not really the way to go for them either.
They wouldnt get in trouble after they are dead, but, theoretically, they should value their life on earth much more because its the only life they have. So committing a crime and spending 30 years in jail is not really the way to go for them either.
Why care what happens when you die? Again, there is nothing to say there is actually a heaven or a hell, only an opinion on it, so why waste time caring about it 'just in case'. Live for now, because death can come at any time. Justifying actions because of caring what happens in the afterlife is a waste of time.
I'm quite happy believing that all thats gonna happen when I die is my corpse is either gonna rot away or get turned into ashes.
Like I keep saying, there is more important shit to worry about.
I'm quite happy believing that all thats gonna happen when I die is my corpse is either gonna rot away or get turned into ashes.
Like I keep saying, there is more important shit to worry about.
I disagree with this. More people than not dress according to the musical scene they are part of - goth, emo, metaller, hip-hop etc. Your favorite music is absolutely a major part of your social identity for most people. The whole idea of there even being teen culture came from people like Elvis and The Beatles back in the 60's.
Seb brought up another good point that is a major problem I have with religion - the stuff that says "you will be forgiven for your sins" etc. There are far too many fucking people in the world that think they can just do whatever the fuck they want because they can just pray for forgiveness afterwards and everything will be alright.
There are also a hell of a lot of people wasting their entire god damn lives because they think there's some sort of magical afterlife. But if those people want to waste their lives, then so be it. It's just dumb as fuck. Just wake the fuck up and do something productive with your life while you can.
There are also a hell of a lot of people wasting their entire god damn lives because they think there's some sort of magical afterlife. But if those people want to waste their lives, then so be it. It's just dumb as fuck. Just wake the fuck up and do something productive with your life while you can.
It all comes down to whether or not how much you believe you are in control of your life, or whether you believe external influences will override your own actions which will be causal to the outcome.
I mean, it is possible to believe in God, ask for guidance, forgiveness (this includes in a social setting with other people to, i.e. forgiveness for maybe cheating on someone, or guidance on what approach to take within a job interview -just examples), its down to the individual to make things happen as external factors can only do so much to affect the choices you make as an individual.
even as a group where peer pressure may arise, or a norm, the individual has the right to execute their choices and stand up for what they believe in otherwise just blend into the background.
So religion can be used as guidance (bear in mind, some may need or want this support i.e. the religious) and some may want to go solo with it, or find their own way - similar to what someone posted earlier. inclusion within a [enter religion] community helps make you be a part of something and gives you a sense of belonging and a role/responsibility to that group, just as anyone would be for example in self-help group. depends which route you take, down to the individ - their choice.
I mean, it is possible to believe in God, ask for guidance, forgiveness (this includes in a social setting with other people to, i.e. forgiveness for maybe cheating on someone, or guidance on what approach to take within a job interview -just examples), its down to the individual to make things happen as external factors can only do so much to affect the choices you make as an individual.
even as a group where peer pressure may arise, or a norm, the individual has the right to execute their choices and stand up for what they believe in otherwise just blend into the background.
So religion can be used as guidance (bear in mind, some may need or want this support i.e. the religious) and some may want to go solo with it, or find their own way - similar to what someone posted earlier. inclusion within a [enter religion] community helps make you be a part of something and gives you a sense of belonging and a role/responsibility to that group, just as anyone would be for example in self-help group. depends which route you take, down to the individ - their choice.
Well I'm not saying there is a heaven or not. I'm saying religious folks, some of them...maybe most, I dunno...believe there is an afterlife. They do good because they want to go to the good place, not the bad place. Again, whether it exists or not is another topic. If there was no religion to "bullshit" you into thinking there is a good and a bad place, do you think the general population will naturally do good or do evil? You can see today that there are people that do bad despite religion, whether it be rape, war, stealing, whatever is condemned by their Holy Book. If you take that away, you don't see a rise in crime and other "bad" things?
Don't you think a good number of our laws come from holy books, namely the Bible? Stealing? Adultery? Animals steal, don't they? Don't they fuck around, anything that has four legs and a heartbeat? How are humans different? If anyone is married, aren't there times you wish "I wonder what her snatch is like?" and "I'd love to try it, but I'm married." Sure, you don't want to hurt your partner and you're in love and most of your time, hopefully, is not spent dwelling on "what if" but if the Bible didn't say "don't cheat, nigga!" you still think the cases of adultery or promiscuity would be same? Lower, higher? "Thou shall not kill." You think without that, there would be a rise in killing? It would at least stay the same, making saying "religion is pointless" a moot argument, at least for that topic's sake.
I don't know if your constant inebriation has prevented you from comprehensive reading or if you simply choose to disregard what I say and twist it to suit your ranting agenda.
To be clear:
1. I don't advocate a ban on expression or free speech. Along with that, I don't advocate a ban on saying "fuck muslims", "fuck leprechauns", or fuck anything. I simply question your motive and intentions for doing so. I will not ban your right to say it, but I will call out the asshole nature behind you saying it.
2. There is no universal law on how to behave or what is right and what is wrong. I don't think anyone should decide who deserves respect and who doesn't. I'm simply asking people to think about what they're saying and if it's really the best way of going about things. It's all about how you want to be as a person.
I feel for you Duke. I can see throughout your posts just how annoyed you are with the supposed double standards in regard to Islam and in regards to how some members of the faith behave. But I disagree with your methods of action. Your methods only work on an online forum. In a grand scheme of things, your behavior would be detrimental to the cause you are trying to achieve. This is something bigger you need to think about as you mature and grow to be a valuable member of society.
To be clear:
1. I don't advocate a ban on expression or free speech. Along with that, I don't advocate a ban on saying "fuck muslims", "fuck leprechauns", or fuck anything. I simply question your motive and intentions for doing so. I will not ban your right to say it, but I will call out the asshole nature behind you saying it.
2. There is no universal law on how to behave or what is right and what is wrong. I don't think anyone should decide who deserves respect and who doesn't. I'm simply asking people to think about what they're saying and if it's really the best way of going about things. It's all about how you want to be as a person.
I feel for you Duke. I can see throughout your posts just how annoyed you are with the supposed double standards in regard to Islam and in regards to how some members of the faith behave. But I disagree with your methods of action. Your methods only work on an online forum. In a grand scheme of things, your behavior would be detrimental to the cause you are trying to achieve. This is something bigger you need to think about as you mature and grow to be a valuable member of society.
My methods? I'm not responsible for the education of the rest of mankind. If they behave like idiots I will say how it is. If Pakistan wants to charge a man with the death penalty, i will say fuck Pakistan. Not because I want to offend Pakistan or to needlessly excercise my right to offend, but because Pakistan is stupid.
You seem to think I'm just saying it to be an asshole. You could not be more wrong.
The general cause some members here want to "achieve" by using such strong languag is get muslims to say "Yes, Pakistan is being stupid and I'm ashamed this country represents my religion in this way", instead of being baited into a totally unrelevant side-discussion because the phrasing was in any degree offensive to a muslim. Their outrage at things like this, Pakistan and Zuckerberg, should be even larger than any one else's because it's their religion that's getting a bad reputation. So it should be even much larger than their outrage at some dick on the internet saying "fuck allah" or some bullshit like that.
When people respond negatively to the internet comment and ignore the actual topic subject, that creates the face-palm feeling for us that Casey, Gotti and myself explained in this thread a zillion times already. That's why the language is strong sometimes. It's hard to stay civil in a discussion that you have tried to start civil a thousand times before, but always ran into a brick wall.
At some point you're just "done" with it in general and sometimes it shines through.
Your patronizing bit at the end functions solely off the assumption that I'm always like this. Which I'm not. So well done at that.
You seem to think I'm just saying it to be an asshole. You could not be more wrong.
The general cause some members here want to "achieve" by using such strong languag is get muslims to say "Yes, Pakistan is being stupid and I'm ashamed this country represents my religion in this way", instead of being baited into a totally unrelevant side-discussion because the phrasing was in any degree offensive to a muslim. Their outrage at things like this, Pakistan and Zuckerberg, should be even larger than any one else's because it's their religion that's getting a bad reputation. So it should be even much larger than their outrage at some dick on the internet saying "fuck allah" or some bullshit like that.
When people respond negatively to the internet comment and ignore the actual topic subject, that creates the face-palm feeling for us that Casey, Gotti and myself explained in this thread a zillion times already. That's why the language is strong sometimes. It's hard to stay civil in a discussion that you have tried to start civil a thousand times before, but always ran into a brick wall.
At some point you're just "done" with it in general and sometimes it shines through.
Your patronizing bit at the end functions solely off the assumption that I'm always like this. Which I'm not. So well done at that.
I don't think people have a right to be immune to being offended just because they're religious. We have a moral duty to think, and religious people have stopped being moral at the point where they've stopped thinking about something and just accept it on faith. If you don't kill or steal or cheat on your spouse because of your religion or fear of god or hell, you are an unthinking immoral fool that needs to have their shit called out. You need to be made an example of as much as possible. (not referring to you, keco.)
So why is not OK for me to criticize your sexual preference if you didn't pick it? Why should the freedom to choose have anything to do with it? It's the playground rule. Don't make fun of that retarded kid because he's actually retarded. I don't care if he was born retarded or just became stupid overnight, I can still make fun of him. The only difference is how me making fun of that retarded kid is perceived in society. Suddenly it's not cool to make fun of the retarded kid. But I'm making fun of his retarded nature, not because he's ACTING retarded. Nevertheless, I'm not the cool bully, anymore. Everybody is sympathetic to the retarded kid and I'm the bad guy for being funny.
Is that the difference?
But see, that's not the point Keco is making. The point is, some people put religion as #1 as far as social identity goes. Therefore, when their religion is attacked, they feel that the CORE OF WHO THEY ARE is attacked. That's what a lot of religion bashers refuse to acknowledge. They understand it but don't want to acknowledge it. The failure to acknowledge leads to conflict. If there is one thing in the world for you as a person that will really rile you and cause you to inflict physical pain on someone even if that someone is a nice person, try to think of that every time you insult someone's religion. I'm not saying you shouldn't criticize their religion, but understand the consequences of insulting someone's CORE of who they are.
Is that the difference?
But see, that's not the point Keco is making. The point is, some people put religion as #1 as far as social identity goes. Therefore, when their religion is attacked, they feel that the CORE OF WHO THEY ARE is attacked. That's what a lot of religion bashers refuse to acknowledge. They understand it but don't want to acknowledge it. The failure to acknowledge leads to conflict. If there is one thing in the world for you as a person that will really rile you and cause you to inflict physical pain on someone even if that someone is a nice person, try to think of that every time you insult someone's religion. I'm not saying you shouldn't criticize their religion, but understand the consequences of insulting someone's CORE of who they are.
I think it would be a lot tougher to instill those qualities in people without there being some repercussions for the actions. That's all. And since a lot of the Bible has made its way into our laws, we would have to rewrite the whole damn thing. If we don't honor these laws because "we're atheist now" how would you justify making the laws in the first place? Because it's "the right thing to do?" Says who? You? We're all equal, right? So who's gonna sit there and make a law with the hopes of a nation following it? That's the problem with religion today, right? "Blindly following?"
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