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masta247

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So... will the A15 or A7 be better than Krait?

I'm not too familiar with CPUs.
The problem with A15 is that it's a very huge performance jump compared to A9 but at the same time it also uses significantly more power.

There's a cool architecture from ARM that consists of full fledged, fast A15 cores (which is faster than Krait by 20-30% per clock cycle and is fine with running at over 2GHZ but uses more energy than Krait) and A7 (which is a low power core, almost equal to A8 in performance but uses up far less energy). That can come in any core configurations (for example 4 A15 cores and 1 A7 core on one chip).
The idea is to run UI and basic OS processes using the A7 core, but when you launch demanding apps they would run on the A15 cores. A single A7 at 1ghz is just a bit faster than the A8, which for example powered the Galaxy S/ Nexus S which also should be enough for stand by and basic stuff and when needed the A15 would kick in.

ARM had a reference design ready last year and it was supposed to power the Galaxy S3 but Samsung apparently wasn't ready with their Exynos chips using that architecture. I'm pretty sure they'll have something like that by the time the Galaxy S4 comes out.

Nvidia kind-of tried that with Tegra 3 but their fifth core is still A9 (which uses over twice as much energy as A7), it's just undervolted and clocked lower.

So imagine this (which is how it works in any Tegra 3 device, like the Nexus 7):


but with a lower power "companion core" using half of that power and the "proper" 4 cores being at least twice as fast (but more power hungry as well). That's what you get in ARM's big.little architecture.
Details here:
http://www.arm.com/products/processors/technologies/bigLITTLEprocessing.php

Compared to Krait, A15 alone doesn't offer enough power gain in relation to its energy consumption but coupled with that A7 companion core it might in the end offer superior performance and similar battery life, if not longer stand by times.
Krait cores were optimized for highest possible performance per Watt of energy - they're perfectly balanced so there's no need for that companion core, but A15 offers more raw computing power and A7 offers lower energy use.
 

THEV1LL4N

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The problem with A15 is that it's a very huge performance jump compared to A9 but at the same time it also uses significantly more power.

There's a cool architecture from ARM that consists of full fledged, fast A15 cores (which is faster than Krait by 20-30% per clock cycle and is fine with running at over 2GHZ but uses more energy than Krait) and A7 (which is a low power core, almost equal to A8 in performance but uses up far less energy). That can come in any core configurations (for example 4 A15 cores and 1 A7 core on one chip).
The idea is to run UI and basic OS processes using the A7 core, but when you launch demanding apps they would run on the A15 cores. A single A7 at 1ghz is just a bit faster than the A8, which for example powered the Galaxy S/ Nexus S which also should be enough for stand by and basic stuff and when needed the A15 would kick in.

ARM had a reference design ready last year and it was supposed to power the Galaxy S3 but Samsung apparently wasn't ready with their Exynos chips using that architecture. I'm pretty sure they'll have something like that by the time the Galaxy S4 comes out.

Nvidia kind-of tried that with Tegra 3 but their fifth core is still A9 (which uses over twice as much energy as A7), it's just undervolted and clocked lower.

So imagine this (which is how it works in any Tegra 3 device, like the Nexus 7):


but with a lower power "companion core" using half of that power and the "proper" 4 cores being at least twice as fast (but more power hungry as well). That's what you get in ARM's big.little architecture.
Details here:
http://www.arm.com/products/processors/technologies/bigLITTLEprocessing.php

Compared to Krait, A15 alone doesn't offer enough power gain in relation to its energy consumption but coupled with that A7 companion core it might in the end offer superior performance and similar battery life, if not longer stand by times.
Krait cores were optimized for highest possible performance per Watt of energy - they're perfectly balanced so there's no need for that companion core, but A15 offers more raw computing power and A7 offers lower energy use.
Thanks for that. I'm looking for something that will be energy efficient and make the battery life last longer so I'm trying to see what CPUs are used in recent phones.

Also, I didn't know that the Nexus 7 had a 5th core. When they say Quad-core, I thought that must mean 4 CPUs and did not even know about companion cores and how they complement any architecture.

P.S. Looking out for more news on the Nexus 7s. I may get my mum the 8GB one and myself the 16GB/32GB one depending on pricing. Still kinda undecided on the 3G option... so it'll be great to know how the Nexus 7 works when I finally have it.
 

masta247

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Nexus 7 is a really cool device, awesome for its price. I find myself using my laptop far less these days (at least for entertainment and information on the go).
I find that I don't need 3G on a tablet - I found out that I have wifi in most places where I use it and when I don't I can tether it from my phone and it's cheaper and more convenient than having another sim card with a data plan.
Also, 10 inch tablets feel really heavy and not too portable compared to the Nexus 7. The screen is much smaller but it doesn't feel too small when there's no 10 incher around. I'd say the portability is so much better on a 7 inch tablet that it's not worth sacrificing it for a bigger screen. Ipads are over twice as heavy.

If it comes to speed I've never seen it lag even for a second. It's super smooth. The battery life is great as well - lasts the whole day of use as advertised (which means solid 9-10 hours of non-stop use).
 

ARon

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Yeah. I plan on never buying a traditional laptop again. Go the desktop/tablet route. I do a lot of gaming s oI need a powerful machine and gaming laptops, like the one I have now, are fucking expensive. Why not spend less on a more powerful desktop and have a Nexus 7 for example
 

masta247

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Yeah, you don't need a laptop anymore unless you use it for work, but Windows 8 might change that and make Windows obsolete for that and make serious companies develop pro suites for Android and iOS as they are about as advanced as Windows 8 is, which is also the first OS from Microsoft that doesn't offer bigger productivity than mobile operating systems. Oh, and iOS and Android will be more popular.
 

Flipmo

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Asus PadFone 2 officially announced with quad-core chip, HD screen, 13MP camera and new docking mechanism

By Daniel Bader on October 16, 2012 at 4:02pm in Mobile News

Asus announced its PadFone 2 phone/tablet hybrid today, as expected, with some great upgrades to the original and a new docking mechanism for easy insertion.

The device is now 4.7-inches and one of the first with Sharp’s IGZO screen technology. It has a 1.5Ghz quad-core Snapdragon S4 Pro SoC, 2GB RAM, a 13MP camera (the same module as in the Xperia TL), a 2140mAh battery, NFC and, in some markets, LTE support, with up to 64GB internal storage.
The docking station has also been shaved, slimmed down, and simplified. While the tablet screen maintains a resolution of 1280×800, it should be a much more capable Android machine, with far smoother transitions between phone and tablet mode, and quicker launch times for apps and games. At 649g, the tablet/phone combo is lighter than the new iPad, and is significantly easier on the forearms than its 850g predecessor.
Padfone 2 will come with Android 4.0.4 Ice Cream Sandwich out of the box, but is upgradeable to Jelly Bean, which Asus promises as soon as possible after launch.
Asus has priced its new smartphone/tablet hybrid at 799 euro for the 32GB version and 899 euro for the 64GB model, though these are obviously not carrier-subsidized or locked. While it’s unlikely the Padfone 2 will come to Canada in any form, it will be an expensive import for those looking to consolidate their phone and tablet interfaces.
Source: CNET, The Verge
 

masta247

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http://www.gsmarena.com/google_sends_out_invites_for_an_android_event_on_october_29-news-4962.php

:)


And if it comes to the ARM single core rumor.. I have my doubts. Currently low-end chips that are about as expensive as the cheapest come from Ericsson and they are dual core A9s. So Google would definitely rather use a 800mhz dual core ST-Ericsson chipset than a single core which frankly, appears to be way too outdated for a new Android version.

If it comes to HUVA type of TN displays it's the first time I hear of them. Asus would probably rather use the cheap and solid TNs from AU Optronics or Chi Mei - especially since both are based in Taiwan as well with manufacturing plants near Asus' plants so logistics would come into play to drop the price lower.
 

masta247

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Samsung has just released their Chromebook with a dual core Exynos 5 (Arm Cortex A15), which is the first commercially available A15 chip. It appears it's not as great as it was supposed to be. At 1,7ghz it's less than twice as fast as A9 clocked at 1,4ghz, which means that the dual core A15 at 1,5ghz wouldn't be faster than a dual core 1,5ghz Krait, at least not significantly. The main positive seems to be that it's made to be clocked higher, 1,7ghz being the slowest version (while Krait is designed to be clocked at 1 - 1,7 GHZ).
 

masta247

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I'm looking forward to the Google event though. It's on the same day as the Microsoft event, just a few days after the Apple event. They have to be confindent that their event will overshadow the other two. While the Microsoft event is hardly exciting at all I think Google want focus on themselves rather than Apple's Ipad mini which might mean that they're going to release an updated version of Nexus 7 and send a clear message "hello, we have a better 7 inch tablet", and it's cheaper, bitches.
 

THEV1LL4N

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16 versions of the iPad mini. What can they possibly have to amount to that many?

I'm thinking of 8GB/16GB/32GB and maybe 64GB versions (=4)
+ 3G versions (=8)

Now they could either be in white/black (=16)

or

+ 4G/LTE version (=12)
+ Some other feature (=16)
 

masta247

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I think it's okay but nothing spectacular. I think it's similar to the likes of Xperia T or the new Moto RAZR, double the CPU cores and add stock Android out of the box. So pretty average overall hardware with one outstanding feature - in this case the CPU. Not a bad phone but nothing to look forward to that much imho.
 

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