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dilla

Trumpfan17 aka Coonie aka Dilla aka Tennis Dog
After using a GS1 and GS2, I think the screen is just awful to look at. It's the SAMOLED, right? It hurt my eyes. Maybe it was because I'm used to looking at regular screens on three other portable devices, but the colors, especially, were just different and I didn't like it. Maybe I need to spend more time with it and get my eyes adjusted to it, but a friend of mine, who is an iPhone 4 user, doesn't like the screen on his GF's GS2. He had the same complaints.
 

masta247

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The thing is that SAMOLED is far more natural to your eyes. LCD shines backlight right in your face, light that comes through a thin layer of colored "crystals" and that's how you see the final image. That's why they seem more washed out, and I suppose that's what you're used to and that's why amoled appeared strange to you.
So LCD is like break lights in your car - it's white light shining through a red material, so it appears red to you in the end, but the light is not really red.
Amoled is more like looking directly at a source of red light. The "red" there is really more red.

LCDs have huge amounts of flaws that are actually bad for your eyes - low contrast, poor viewing angles and blurry motion are the biggest issues, and they are almost nonexistent in AMOLEDs.
Amoled screens actually consist of pixels that display the image by themselves, without a backlight behind so the image appear totally different, more realistic, much more vivid - simply because they can display whatever color you want them to display by themselves. So there's no limitation to viewing angles or contrast, or real color vividness. So they appear more "in your face" but that's because they're more natural like that.

Samsung's Amoleds appear a bit oversaturated to some people, especially die-hard LCD users.
 

masta247

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Well, manufacturing an LCD Tv itself is very cheap (resources are cheap, building them is cheap). It's their supply chains that are generating most of their costs. TVs are big and heavy and consist of a lot of components that are being manufactured in far, distant lands. They are also the biggest challenge (apart from things like space ships and military projects) to supply chain management.
Also technology was expensive and I suppose they take that into account too. Now it's cheap, but coming up with it was expensive and they want that money back. I'm pretty sure that they're including those costs in their calculations.

Oled is even cheaper to make but first TVs based on that technology cost shitloads of money. Commercial oled TVs will be much more expensive too, just because companies had to invest a lot in the first place.
 

dilla

Trumpfan17 aka Coonie aka Dilla aka Tennis Dog
I see. Actually, both our Bimmers use LED lights, instead of LCDs. I actually did not know car lights were LCDs. Weird. But it makes sense why they switched to LEDs according to your description; it doesn't pose a hazard to other drivers by fucking with their eyes or just damaging eyes for those who spend a lot of time driving and staring at damaging LCDs for long periods of time, like truck drivers.
 

masta247

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LED and OLED are totally different things though.

Let's explain the "marketing terminology" here:

"LCD" - a casual LCD display (liquid crystal with a backlight) with CCFL backlight.
"LED" - a casual LCD display with LED backlight - slightly "colder" image, lower power consumption, thinner.
"OLED" - Organic light emitting diode display. A totally different technology that shares almost nothing with LCD. "Every pixel shines by itself". No backlight. All LCD's/LED's flaws are basically nonexistent here.
"AMOLED" = Active matrix OLED = any modern OLED
"SAMOLED" = Samsung's Amoled. In the past Samsung's AMOLEDs were simply called AMOLED. They introduced SAMOLED with their Galaxy S/Wave smartphones as next gen AMOLEDs that were slightly better than previous AMOLEDs that they used to manufacture.

It's not like LCD will damage your eyes that much, unless it's too bright. It's just that the image is less natural to your eyes than OLED.
 

masta247

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^I was bored. New Sony phones are kind of boring even to me (Xperia Ion is pretty cool but US-exclusive).
I didn't care about those tablets much, nothing revolutionary here.
Microsoft - I didn't care.
TVs - same things for the last few years other than some additional features I don't care about.

The most interesting for me were the ultrabooks. I'm really interested in them but they're still far too expensive.
 

masta247

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No, I don't really like the Acer S3 (and usually also Acer laptops as a whole). Sony don't offer any ultrabooks yet.

I like the Lenovo one, because it has a trackpoint which I think is the best thing ever.

I also like the Toshiba ultrabook - Z830. It doesn't have a trackpoint but is better than the Macbook Air.
 

dilla

Trumpfan17 aka Coonie aka Dilla aka Tennis Dog
Is "Wintablets" or something like that the new name given to ultra books? Or are those proper tablets using Intel's chips? I just read somewhere, I think Tom's Hardware, that those tablets or ultrabooks may be around $900 when they come out. Now that I think about it, it makes sense that it was talking about tablets, because ultrabooks at $900 would be a steal. But where does the "Win" come from?

I'm gonna have to go look it up again.
 

masta247

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Is "Wintablets" or something like that the new name given to ultra books? Or are those proper tablets using Intel's chips? I just read somewhere, I think Tom's Hardware, that those tablets or ultrabooks may be around $900 when they come out. Now that I think about it, it makes sense that it was talking about tablets, because ultrabooks at $900 would be a steal. But where does the "Win" come from?

I'm gonna have to go look it up again.
Well, "Wintel" Tablets are Windows 8 tablets running on Intel's chips

There are 900$ ultrabooks already. Actually the Toshiba Z830, which is one of the most interesting ultrabooks went for 699$ at best buy.
Now the Z835 (i3 version) costs 799$:
http://www.bestbuy.com/site/Toshiba - Portégé Ultrabook Laptop / Intel® Core™ i3 Processor / 13.3" Display / 4GB Memory - Silver/3868228.p?skuId=3868228&id=1218437467260

It's better than Macbook air. It's lighter and thinner than the 13,3 inch Air while having a matte display of the same size, more ports (3 usb, 3.0, charging mobile devices while it's off; hdmi), longer battery life, according to reviews better backlit keyboard, 4-6gb of ram and a 128-256gb SSD drive.

It's the lightest and slimmest (in its thickest point) 13,3 mobile device actually, and one of the fastest ultrabooks (the i5 version) while also being really a good deal considering that it's packing all necessary ports and premium features too.
 

dilla

Trumpfan17 aka Coonie aka Dilla aka Tennis Dog
What's the battery life compared to the MBA? And I can't live without a backlit keyboard anymore. And I find the shortcuts on the number pad on the MacBooks (play, skip, volume, etc.) to be more responsive and accurate than on Windows notebooks. I'm comparing it to my 2007 HP, but most of my friends running Win7 still can't do it right, or it pauses a movie and then opens the music player and starts playing music when they hit pause. Also, gestures on the trackpad are another big thing for me.

But at the same time, the more USB ports and HDMI are things I sometimes miss, but the latter can be fixed with a $2 adapter from Amazon and the former can also be fixed with an adapter that expands one port into multiple ports. I've never really found a need for more ports, though.
 

masta247

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What's the battery life compared to the MBA? And I can't live without a backlit keyboard anymore. And I find the shortcuts on the number pad on the MacBooks (play, skip, volume, etc.) to be more responsive and accurate than on Windows notebooks. I'm comparing it to my 2007 HP, but most of my friends running Win7 still can't do it right, or it pauses a movie and then opens the music player and starts playing music when they hit pause. Also, gestures on the trackpad are another big thing for me.

But at the same time, the more USB ports and HDMI are things I sometimes miss, but the latter can be fixed with a $2 adapter from Amazon and the former can also be fixed with an adapter that expands one port into multiple ports. I've never really found a need for more ports, though.
Battery life is 8-9 hours in standby. A bit better than MBA. It has a backlit keyboard. If it comes to shortcuts you can configure them in almost any player :)

Yeah, it comes with more ports just being there, so you don't need anything else in case you needed to hook your laptop up with anything.

But they're not running Mac OS X so your argument is irrelevant, Masta. :)
They can, if that's how you wish to humiliate them :)
 

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