Stem Cells cure Blind Man

[Rukas]

I always laugh about how atheists seem to think religious people push their beliefs onto everyone else, when in the MODERN world, it's the atheists that always put up the fight to get their opinion to everyone else.

Look, you've got such a hard on over it theres six pages to this thread and hardly any posts actually about stem cell research. And before you blame it on me, I simply pointed out that the Church, contrary to what you said, was actually FOR stem cell research.

Then everyone else came in and started attacking the church, calling them sexless freaks, pedophiles, attacking religion, etc etc.

You didn't see any Religious person come in and attack Atheists as a whole did you?

Ironic.

Religion is a belief in God. Atheism is a belief that there is no God, but it is still a belief and neither can be proven. I think some people would be better off remembering that.

Now, how about we get back to discussing what this thread is actually about; stem cell research.

 

[Rukas]

Believing in a god is as equally ridiculous in believing in santa claus or dragons.

I can not take you seriously if you believe in santa claus or dragons because i live in the real world and not a fantasy one.

Santa Clause is based on St. Nicolas, who took presents to Children.

Dragon's are based on dinosaur remains.

Both myths are rooted deeply in fact and actual events. So are you admitting Religion is rooted in facts and actual events or just talking bullshit again?

You dont believe in God because you can not prove the existence of God, even though people tell you God exists and offer spiritual proof.

Yet you believe that the US landed on the moon, yet you did not see it and simply took someone's word for it. You believe the earth is solid, yet have not dug deep enough to check yet simply take other peoples words for it. You believe space is what you have been told space is, yet have NO way of proving it yourself, you simply have to take a leap of FAITH. Shit, dont you believe in aliens Casey?

I have no problem with people saying that Jesus didnt exist, or that the Christian idea of God is wrong because truthfully, humans (especially back then) contemplating God and accurately describing it is like ants describing us, or your Android phone, without any direct input from you, writing about us. We are so far above anything else we know about that nothing else we know about could do us justice in describing exactly what we are.

Science is yet to prove how life stated. How the universe started. What is outside our Galaxy. Multi dimensions. Etc etc. Simply throwing away the idea that perhaps there is a power out there, a force, or something that people refer to as God, is rather ignorant and foolish. Thinking that humans are at the top of the chain is such an arrogant human trait that we are falling into and in my opinion THAT is the major problem we have as a society and leads to wars, leads to deforestation, pollution etc etc. Everyone thinks they are top shit and can do whatever they want because of it.


You want to talk about science disproving the existence of God?

Science cant even tell me how life started. Your one cell theory is a THEORY and has NEVER been proven. The fact is that life can not form outside of already existing life. Random amino acids can not form into proteins to create life. It has never been shown, never been witnessed, never been proven by science. Simply ignoring the possibility of outside manipulation, when faced with the fact that your own mental self imposed limits can not prove it otherwise, is stupid.


Like I said, not believing in Religion is one thing. But to dismiss the possibility of a God is as stupid and narrow minded as the Church once dismissing the possibility of other planets existing.

In short, you're all as dumb as each other.

 

[Casey]

Santa Clause is based on St. Nicolas, who took presents to Children.

Dragon's are based on dinosaur remains.

Both myths are rooted deeply in fact and actual events.

So? Santa Claus and Dragons still don't exist, it doesn't matter what they are based on.

So if I say that the world was created by a omnipotent magic vagina, does the existence of vaginas make my point more valid? Of course not.

You dont believe in God because you can not prove the existence of God, even though people tell you God exists and offer spiritual proof.

I also don't believe in omnipotent magic vaginas because there is no proof for them. If every single person on the planet did believe that, they'd still be idiots no matter how much "spiritual proof" they gave me.

Yet you believe that the US landed on the moon, yet you did not see it and simply took someone's word for it.

Satellites have mapped the surface of the moon and you can view those photographs. The marks left by the 1969 landing are clearly visible.

You believe the earth is solid, yet have not dug deep enough to check yet simply take other peoples words for it. You believe space is what you have been told space is, yet have NO way of proving it yourself, you simply have to take a leap of FAITH. Shit, dont you believe in aliens Casey?

This is retarded. You think there is no more evidence for the earth being solid or what exists in space than there is for the existence of god?

I don't need to burn my hand on the stove to know that it will cause me pain if I do. Why? Because it has been proven by the amount of people that have done it. There are vast areas of study on what the earth is made of, the different levels of the core, etc. Therefore it is NOT a leap of faith.

I believe that is strongly possible that aliens exist because it is a LOGICAL conclusion. The universe is infinitely vast, OUR sun is just one star out of billions and billions, the chances of there being planets that are of a sufficient distance away from any star to support life are basically a certainty, and therefore the possibility of alien life is also basically a certainty.

Science is yet to prove how life stated.

Evolution.

How the universe started

The big bang.

What is outside our Galaxy

Stars, planets, space debris, other galaxies, black holes. We can SEE all of these things from the Earth, as well as photos taken from satellites.

Thinking that humans are at the top of the chain is such an arrogant human trait that we are falling into and in my opinion THAT is the major problem we have as a society and leads to wars, leads to deforestation, pollution etc etc.

We are at the top of the chain, as far as every form of life that we currently know exists on our planet. What puts us at the top of the chain is the ability to feel compassion and make choices, which is why I am a vegan, for example. I control my destiny and I can use my position at the top in order to help creatures that can't make those choices.

And seriously, by disputing evolution you are basically saying that you are more intelligent than Charles Darwin. But you aren't even a scientist. So what are your educational qualifications to make such a statement? You have none. That doesn't mean you aren't entitled to an opinion, it just means that your opinion has little to no merit.

It's like asking my opinion on nuclear fission. I don't have an educated opinion on that because I know nothing about it.

I can dispute belief in a god because it isn't a subject that can be studied. You could "study" religion for your entire life and you aren't going to be any closer or any further away to getting a single shred of evidence.

 

[S O F I]

Technically, evolution does not describe the origin of life but just how living organisms change over time.

 

[Jokerman]

the world was created by an omnipotent magic vagina..

This is actually what I believe in. And I didn't come to this belief because I gathered all the available information and made a logical decision. It's a just a feeling I have in my crotch. It makes me happier and makes my life better.

 

[Casey]

Technically, evolution does not describe the origin of life but just how living organisms change over time.

Yeah, my bad. The word I intended to use was abiogenesis.

 

[Duke]

..but can't we say that about any topic? We can say science is miraculous and has cured countless diseases, but it also creates the weapons that kills countless of people.

No, this analogy is faulty. "Science" doesn't cure diseases nor create atom bombs. "Science" is a method to investigate and invent things, whatever they may be. It is a guideline to explore the world around us and it's possibilities.

Whereas religion, by it's very definition, creates a set of boundaries that people must adhere to. It constricts, it does not liberate.

Religion like anything in life has both good and bads.

Nowadays it's a lot more 50/50 than in the days of yore, because nowadays organized religion doesn't dominate society anymore. It's no wonder that technological advancement in practice and rational thinking in society really took off around the period of Enlightenment, just to name a simple example.

Let's face it, we argue for things that we abide our lives to, and argue against those we feel are completely ridiculous. Sofi could say "Religion has done great things for many people by the power of charity" and you'll turn back and say "Yes, they're also at fault for countless wars in the past" ...

That's where this thread went wrong. People going on the over-offensive, people getting butt-hurt and people arguing for the fuck of it. This went way too general way too fast.

It's a back and forth debate with no ending.

It is, but the origin of this debate was religion and science. Not just "religion" but in specific Christianity. The ancient Greeks were never restricted on a scientific level by their religion. Neither were the Romans. Then they turned Christian. A bit later their empire went to shit.

 

[Duke]

Religion is a belief in God. Atheism is a belief that there is no God, but it is still a belief and neither can be proven. I think some people would be better off remembering that.

The difference is that an atheist would never be blinded to proper science by his belief.

Whereas...well, I think you get the point, hm?


Another good job at trying to try and level the playing field, sadly you failed.

 

[Rukas]

The difference is that an atheist would never be blinded to proper science by his belief.

Whereas...well, I think you get the point, hm?


Another good job at trying to try and level the playing field, sadly you failed.

You have got to be kidding me. Do you know how many scientific breakthroughs are shunned by scientific communities because they dont fit in with what scientists previously believed?

Science is filled with just as many blind douche bags as religion is.

Casey, evolution does not show how life began, it shows how species adapt to their environment. Evolution is a theory, and one that is yet to be proven. Yet you blindly follow it as fact with your faith, even though you cant see it working, and there is no evidence to show that it is fact. Adaption sure, species evolve and adapt, but species do not turn into other species. Life does not just spring up out of nothing.

Abiogenesis? Abiogenesis is an IDEA, a THEORY. It has not been proven, far from it. Casey you are indeed one of those people who Duke just mentioned, you are blinded by your FAITH in science and nothing more. Abiogenesis is a theory that has never been demonstrated to be accurate, I already mentioned it, amino acids do not naturally turn into proteins, ever.

These are ideas, and theories, that you just state as fact to back up what you BELIEVE.

 

[Rukas]

The major problem I have with some athiests, is they are simply fan boys. They discuss things by attacking everything else like they were debating the PS3 vs 360 or iPhone vs Android.

They think it's cool to be atheist like conspiracy theory idiots who think they are in some cool minority for "discovering" that Free Masons are evil or something. They soak up all these lies and fanboyisms on other message boards with blind faith because they think they're elite and better than everyone else who they think is blind to the truth.

Yet they fail to research the subjects themselves and quote things blindly that are often just bullshit.

They give atheists a bad name, just like crazy ass religious nuts who think the Bible is 100% truth give Christians a bad name and just like extremist Muslims give Islam a bad name.

There's blinded dumb ass fools on every side of the argument.

 

[Duke]

You have got to be kidding me. Do you know how many scientific breakthroughs are shunned by scientific communities because they dont fit in with what scientists previously believed?

Those beliefs are, at the very least eventually, contradicted by evidence. A real scientific breakthrough would never be shunned, because it's just that. An undeniable breakthrough. Of course some theories, some partially supported, are shunned. Sometimes "they overshun it", if you will. Peer review is a big part of the scientific method, sometimes it's overdone. Nothing is perfect.

It still stands to no parallel in holding on and propagating fairy tales to believe who actually believe you.

A lot of people literally listen to religion. Then you inherit a responsiblity not to pull things from your ass.


Science is filled with just as many blind douche bags as religion is.

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[Sebastian]

Religion is a belief in God. Atheism is a belief that there is no God, but it is still a belief and neither can be proven. I think some people would be better off remembering that.

I think you are better off stop pretending like God exisiting and God not exisiting is equally probable.

I mean youve heard something like this before, right?:

Can you disprove the existence of elves?

Doesnt it make you realise that what you are saying is nonsense? Its plain wrong to pretend like you could compare these two possibilities.

You dont believe in God because you can not prove the existence of God, even though people tell you God exists and offer spiritual proof.

What kind of an argument is that? None at all i guess. Like it has any relevance that someone tells me god exists.

Thinking that humans are at the top of the chain is such an arrogant human trait....

Well, like Casey said, we are, as far as we know, in fact at the top of the chain. No point to make it seem like we are not.

In short, you're all as dumb as each other.

Not true! Clearly there is a difference between the different people in here.

Evolution is a theory, and one that is yet to be proven.

Ok, enough is enough....disqualified.

 

[vg4030]

God wasnt even mentioned in the original article. It was all about the science.

Casey why do you enjoy starting pointless arguments over the same crap over and over? Why has this become another religious debate?... move it to WOW if thats what you want

 

[S. Fourteen]

Yeah, so my grandpa died this summer and he could have been saved through advancement of stem cell research. My bleeding heart liberal friend turns to me and says "That's Bush's fault" and I'm like "Bitch Please!"

True Story

 

[Sebastian]

Because he enjoys talking/discussing about it?

...and because Casey is an extremist.

 

[vg4030]

Because he enjoys talking/discussing about it?

...and because Casey is an extremist.

He just enjoys getting people heated over it.. he said so himself.. its not genuine love of discussion.

I can turn ANY topic into a religious debate if I wanted.. what he does is easy.

Then discuss it properly... He just show no class.. Ya know?? Like school in July.

LOL @ extremist. Ive taken more extreme dumps

 

[Bobby Sands]

Casey is plotting to hijack planes and crash them into churches and mosques.

 

[Rukas]

He just enjoys getting people heated over it.. he said so himself.. its not genuine love of discussion.

I can turn ANY topic into a religious debate if I wanted.. what he does is easy.

Then discuss it properly... He just show no class.. Ya know?? Like school in July.

LOL @ extremist. Ive taken more extreme dumps

He's just passionate about what he believes. He argues the same be it religion, vegetarianism, Android, Google, whatever.

 

[vg4030]

He's just passionate about what he believes. He argues the same be it religion, vegetarianism, Android, Google, whatever.

There are plenty of passionate people here. They also know how to talk properly

 

[Casey]

There are plenty of passionate people here. They also know how to talk properly

I'll talk properly to ya momma, sucka