Illuminati, Secret Societies & Shadow Governments - Your Opinion Please !?

[tupac4li4e]

If I'm wrong, then prove me wrong, and I will apologise graciously. But until that happens, you are - for the moment - a stupid ass nicca

LOL, oh man, I can't be fucked with you Ill.

My ego will most likely get the better of me though, and I probably will respond in full later (right now I need food, a chill break & some lovin from the Mrs ).

But as you were saying about me (I think) you seem to already have your mind made up on the subject, and no matter how much proof I could give you, you wouldn't be satisfied.....just a feeling I get from when we talk, ..... and what you said, back at ya.... If I'm wrong, then prove me wrong, and I will apologise graciously. But until that happens, you are - for the moment - a ignorant ass nicca

And read my last two posts "nicca".

Talk laters.

 

[ill-matic]

LOL, oh man, I can't be fucked with you Ill.

My ego will most likely get the better of me though, and I probably will respond in full later (right now I need food, a chill break & some lovin from the Mrs ).

But as you were saying about me (I think) you seem to already have your mind made up on the subject, and no matter how much proof I could give you, you wouldn't be satisfied.....just a feeling I get from when we talk, ..... and what you said, back at ya.... If I'm wrong, then prove me wrong, and I will apologise graciously. But until that happens, you are - for the moment - a ignorant ass nicca

And read my last two posts "nicca".

Talk laters.

No I haven't made up my mind. I'm very open to the idea of something like this occurring. But that's all it is to me. An idea. Nothing else. There's nothing conclusive on the subject, just mere speculation. What I don't like it when you come in here thinking you're onto something, as if you were Einstein stumbling on the Theory of Relativity and then leaving your peers in awe at how you came to its conclusion.

The reality is, bra, is that the shit you have posted has been circulating chat boards and the internet in general for years. There is nothing new about it. And in all these years there has been no progress made in substantiating this gossip..it's only shifted in context to accommodate the changing times - i.e. relating the conspiracy to shit that's happening now so more people can identify with it.

Tell me, if there was a NWO and "an invisible hand", how would they allow such rumours to be circulating around the internet for so long? I mean, you most likely googled this shit, and a tonne of things came up. Shows how accessible this information is. It's not hidden. If they had such powers, why haven't they removed such things from being distributed or read?

Could be one of a few things; maybe because they feel that such claims can never be proved.. or realistically it's because there is no NWO or Illuminati. Whatever way you look at it, there isn't concrete evidence to back your claim up.

I'm open to the idea, like i said.. But when you just start posting bullshit, especially when it's taken out of context - then i start thinking yhou're an idiot that will believe anything they want, and will twist shit to suit your point of view. That's not how i roll.

 

[Chronic]

There actually is a secret society running the world. When they found out people were looking into this but had amassed half-truths, rumors and false links to historical secret societies they saw their opportunity. They fed false information, which although made people aware of their existence, completely sent people off base. Now we have 1) People who don't know about secret societies 2) People who know about secret societies but are looking for all the wrong information, thinking they have the answer

99% of the information you're reading about the Illuminati and Freemason is merely misleading information put there by the real secret society. By telling people to use the same easily-accessed (and easily controlled) information you're doing what the puppet masters want.

 

[tupac4li4e]

What I don't like it when you come in here thinking you're onto something, as if you were Einstein stumbling on the Theory of Relativity and then leaving your peers in awe at how you came to its conclusion.

The reality is, bra, is that the shit you have posted has been circulating chat boards and the internet in general for years. There is nothing new about it. That's not how i roll.

Hey Ill, to stop the same arguement we are having back and fourth, I will say thankyous for your opinion, and you have made it VERY clear about where you stand, and I thankyou for that. But you seem to be kinda asking questions that others have which I've answered best as I could, and although I appreciate your input, if its the same ol, why do you keep coming back for more cos I'm not trying to egg you on, like, just let it be, you have had your say and I do understand what your saying, truly.

Einstein, shit I can't even be sure I spelt his name right, so no I don't think of myself as smart or higher up there than anyone, I suppose the knowledge I have come across is just different and I want to share it, you have deduced it's pretty much BS, and thats cool, like I said, thanks for your input, your point is clearly made

One last thing is that even though it may be old info, does not make it any less plausable or worthy of looking into, especially for new generations and people that may have never heard about this kind of thing before.

Peace, bra.

There actually is a secret society running the world. When they found out people were looking into this but had amassed half-truths, rumors and false links to historical secret societies they saw their opportunity. They fed false information, which although made people aware of their existence, completely sent people off base. Now we have 1) People who don't know about secret societies 2) People who know about secret societies but are looking for all the wrong information, thinking they have the answer

99% of the information you're reading about the Illuminati and Freemason is merely misleading information put there by the real secret society. By telling people to use the same easily-accessed (and easily controlled) information you're doing what the puppet masters want.

Shittttttt, not sure if I believe my eyes !?

It, it can't be.....not you Chronic ? hahaha, legend.

Why can't I sum up my shit like that, maybe I need to get back to some highhhhh flyin again, get my shit in perspective, and actually think about what I'm gonna reply with, before I just see a reply and do it straight away.

Thanks for the input, even though it came way out of left field

 

[Duke]

Your logic is more flawed and circular than curry-donuts.


I'm gonna debate him on his own grounds from now on:


"tupac4li4e is a self-centered mongoloid human, living in the Western world with a love for far-fetched conspiracy theories. It's been rumoured that late at night, he cries because his penis is so small. Sometimes he cries so hard, his 500 lbs girlfriend will (mechanically) hoist herself out of bed, leaking body fluids all the way to her little man, to cheer him up with a gobbet of tobacco-yellow phlegm.

Sources say that this tupac4li4e character is a major player in the online anime fisting community, where they take pictures of anime personalities, print them out in cardboard, crumple the image up and insert the paper in their anus. Medical testing have shown tupac4li4e's intestinal tract is riddled with papercuts, pieces of broccoli and toy cars.

The Department of Defense has reason to believe tupac4li4e is involved with the Al Qaeda network, as there are substantiated rumours that he was once anally raped by Osama bin Laden in either 1994 or 1995."



That story is on the exact same level of credible evidence as ANYTHING YOU POSTED IN THIS THREAD.

So, retaining your own methods, go ahead. Disprove it. You want us to disprove your cockadoodle, now disprove mine, you small-cocked retarded bedwetter.

 

[Sebastian]

Shittttttt, not sure if I believe my eyes !?

It, it can't be.....not you Chronic ? hahaha, legend.

Why can't I sum up my shit like that, maybe I need to get back to some highhhhh flyin again, get my shit in perspective, and actually think about what I'm gonna reply with, before I just see a reply and do it straight away.

Thanks for the input, even though it came way out of left field

It kind of breaks my heart to do this but:

Chronic wasnt serious with his reply! This post does not represent his opinion about the subject.

He said something that any conspiracy supporter could come up with within a minute. Its not his opinion, its an (stupid) idea about the motives behind certain circumstances and you bought into it because you want to believe it.

 

[Duke]

It kind of breaks my heart to do this but:

Chronic wasnt serious with his reply! This post does not represent his opinion about the subject.

He said something that any conspiracy supporter could come up with within a minute. Its not his opinion, its an (stupid) idea about the motives behind certain circumstances and you bought into it because you want to believe it.

It's a peach too.

 

[Illuminattile]

There is plenty of information on the Illuminati and Freemasons etc even at your local library I would assume, I haven't had too much trouble in finding info if I seek for it properly.

You seem to be having some trouble posting it, though. If it's so prevalent, why haven't you shared it with us?

LOL, I find it impossible to base my beliefs on any one source of knowledge, and I don't just go to tinfoil hat websites. Believe what you will though.

Well the only info you've posted so far has come from "tinfoil hat websites" with no evidence or sources to back up their claims.

They aren't unshakeable as I am still learning about the subject, I am far from complete in regards to studying this issue.

Well you don't seem very tolerant of people questioning your beliefs.

Prove to me it's fantasy, if you can ?

Burden of proof, Occam's razor, extraordinary claims require extraordinary evidence etc. etc.

Show us some proof that it's more than just paranoid fantasy.

Fair enough, but what I like to do is make people do their own research on such matters

That's all well and good, but you have to give people a reason to research things. If you make outlandish claims, you can't expect people to spend their time looking them up to see if there's any truth to them.

Let me put it like this: you are clearly convinced that there is a shady cabal of people who run the planet. Explain to us why you're convinced, and show us what convinced you.

If I wanted to explain evolution to someone who didn't accept it, I wouldn't just say "humans evolved from ape-like creatures, do some research". I'd provide evidence, from reputable sources. You need to do the same if you expect anyone to take you seriously.

 

[tupac4li4e]

Whether Chronic was serious or not doesn't matter, he had his say, and wasn't a fucking dick about it. That and after he closed my last thread on the suject, said he would steer clear of my posts/threads, so it did come as a surprise.

Any and all thoughts are welcome, lol I may take it the wrong way at times, but fuck it, I'm not perfect.

Mainly that's what I was praising him on, and in actual "fact" these societies do put out false and misleading information that get mixed in with the truth so people.....perhaps such as yourselves don't even look at it twice.

Have you even bothered to look into any of this ?

Have you looked into the supposed 13 families, the bloodlines that supposedly rule the world from behind the curtains ? Have you perhaps even thought about how they could get to be so powerful, and then looked into that ? Looked up high ranking Freemasons, thier rituals and their ties within the communities and/or governments?

I didn't really read much of your replies as I'm just waking up still, lol, but it's pretty byast of you to be talking shit if you haven't even looked into it yourself.

Seems like you are just piggy backing of each other, as per usual to get your point across.

If you don't believe, you don't believe. I really don't care if anyone takes me seriously, that's not what I'm here to do, just here to share some info, certain people will connect, certain people won't. It's your choice in the end isn't it ? And like I said I will post some more stuff, like links and sources... but I would have thought at least the stuff I have posted thus far would have perhaps sparked an interest in people to start looking it up, again if not that's cool and totally thier/your choice.

 

[S O F I]

Tupac4li4e is completely correct when he mentions that freemasons exist. They exist and in large numbers and many hold pretty high positions around the world. But it's only when he associates them with the "Illuminati" and says that they "RUN" the world that his opinions turn into conspiracy theories.

The problem with tupac4li4e is that he associates many known, powerful organizations with illuminati and the so-called NWO. If he restrained from that, this could be a good discussion.

For example, it is completely true that the World Bank, the IMF, the UN, NGOs, industry lobbies, and organizations wield significant power in the world and affect our lives in many ways. But I don't see the need to call them secret societies or give them "thriller-movie" names. Just say that the US Supreme Court justices are the 9 most powerful people in the world and you'll have a real point of discussion, for example. There's no need to call them the Illuminati.

 

[tupac4li4e]

ahahahah, I just caught the last part of Dukes reply. Very creative "Duke".

Along the same level of maturity..... so that you may be able to understand me.......calling me small cocked isn't going to make yours any bigger Dukey boy, and what the fuck kind of name is Duke anyway, you pack hunting, weak ass, cockhead that couldn't insult a 5 yr old girl even if he tried, wannabe fuckhead that think's he has all the answers, always talks shit about my threads, that can't disprove shit and the only way that you can get your point across is mostly by posting useless, repetitive boring ass, bible legth posts such as in the other thread, mummas boy fag, that can go to hell cos your one motherfucking pathetic know it all, know nothing....pathetic loser.

Duke, sums it up.

P.S If I call someone a "Duke" from now on ^ that's what I mean.

 

[Bender]

aren't we talking 'killuminati' here?

if we could wake up and resolve the bickering between each other, maybe we would have something to go on.

maybe this is just the first step to further realisation, idk

 

[masta247]

Duke did what you do all the time. His claim is as legit as your sources (and what you fail to see, it's also as stupid to us). No, sorry - I'd rather trust Duke than a random tinfoilhat psycho so I'd rather believe in you being anally raped by Osama (try to disprove that, sir?) than that members of Illuminati are world controlling lizards wearing human-shaped masks (the former is far more convincing btw).
Also, in your last post you really exposed your class..

As Sofi mentioned, there are people with more power than others. However none of them has the power you want to make them have.

Don't you see that the whole board points out that you're wrong and still you make yourself look like a bigger idiot with each post?
You're a hypocrite and the way you write is just annoying.
I see that you don't even consider that the majority of people are right.

 

[tupac4li4e]

Duke did what you do all the time. His claim is as legit as your sources (and what you fail to see, it's also as stupid to us). No, sorry - I'd rather trust Duke than a random tinfoilhat psycho so I'd rather believe in you being anally raped by Osama than that members of Illuminati are world controlling lizards wearing human-shaped masks (the former is quite convincing btw).
Also, in your last post you really exposed your class...

Just matching Dukes class, you two faced Masta.

Look at your replies, then come back and talk about class, what, are you delusional ?

My sources, I have not revelaed any yet, I'm just posting shit up for discussion, so what the fuck are you on about ?

And you see what I mean about the lizard bullshit, no obviously you don't. Read where I said they put shit out into the general public, to discredit certain things, so people don't even look twice at it.

Again, you Duke, Illmatic and Sebastian are all weak ass punks that can't stand on your own two feet, so you need to come in every now and then to back each other up, like a bunch of fucking panzy ass schoolboys in the playground.

Class? Dont even Masta.

As Sofi mentioned, there are people with more power than others. However none of them has the power you want to make them have.

Don't you see that the whole board points out that you're wrong and still you make yourself look like a bigger idiot with each post?
You're a hypocrite and the way you write is just annoying.
I see that you don't even consider that the majority of people are right.

What power do I want them to have, and who are you talking about ?

I don't give a fuck if the whole board or whole world points out I'm wrong, it seriously does not make it so.

If you read any of the Illuminati's agenda for global control, and just take a look outside of your computer screen for just one second, you will see that there is shit going on in society and governments that are just undeniable.

The way I present my arguements or points sometimes are flawed, yes, but here we go Masta, you and the rest of the board, can take what I've posted thus far, and prove it wrong, misleading or falsified if you like.......because I would like to discuss it if you find anything of the sort.

Obviously because I seek truth, I wear a tinfoil hat right ? You stereotypical moron.

So obviously there would heaps of people that have debunked these outlandish claims of "mine", becuase they have been around for ages, and theres nothing new to them ? Right ?

So come on, I'm waiting....otherwise, keep your mouth shut, becuase the whole board knows your opinion, and if you do not have any inoformative information to put into it, you are just showing your class. The class of a Dog.

Get fucked, idiot.

 

[SiGh]

Let me put it like this: you are clearly convinced that there is a shady cabal of people who run the planet. Explain to us why you're convinced, and show us what convinced you.

If I wanted to explain evolution to someone who didn't accept it, I wouldn't just say "humans evolved from ape-like creatures, do some research". I'd provide evidence, from reputable sources. You need to do the same if you expect anyone to take you seriously.

Posted by Illu.

 

[ill-matic]

Just matching Dukes class, you two faced Masta.

Look at your replies, then come back and talk about class, what, are you delusional ?

My sources, I have not revelaed any yet, I'm just posting shit up for discussion, so what the fuck are you on about ?

The more you say this, the more I think you're stalling for time to try dig up something more concrete than merely copying and pasting sh8t on the internet. You wanted discussion? Well, i am questioning the integrity of your "sources". I have challenged their credibility. Instead of being a bitch about things, tell me why I should read what you have posted so far and believe it? Find me something more concrete..more substantive, and then that would open the gateway for more productive discussion. Understand?

And you see what I mean about the lizard bullshit, no obviously you don't. Read where I said they put shit out into the general public, to discredit certain things, so people don't even look twice at it.

Again, you Duke, Illmatic and Sebastian are all weak ass punks that can't stand on your own two feet, so you need to come in every now and then to back each other up, like a bunch of fucking panzy ass schoolboys in the playground.

Class? Dont even Masta.

The fuck you on about? I've held my own here. Stop talking bullshit. Everything I have said has been legitimate. Don't be a sissy just because some people share my point of view.

What power do I want them to have, and who are you talking about ?

I don't give a fuck if the whole board or whole world points out I'm wrong, it seriously does not make it so.

If you read any of the Illuminati's agenda for global control, and just take a look outside of your computer screen for just one second, you will see that there is shit going on in society and governments that are just undeniable.

The way I present my arguements or points sometimes are flawed, yes, but here we go Masta, you and the rest of the board, can take what I've posted thus far, and prove it wrong, misleading or falsified if you like.......because I would like to discuss it if you find anything of the sort.

Which is exactly what i've been doing. I've questioned the integrity of your posts, and you have so far failed to validate any of your sources. Why? Why can't you just accept that perhaps what you're posting is bullshit, and that most of the sh8t you have posted has a VERY weak link to the existence of the Illumaniti etc..

Obviously because I seek truth, I wear a tinfoil hat right ? You stereotypical moron.

No you idiot. You're the one who fits the stereotype. There's nothing wrong with being somewhat cynical and pessimistic about these kinds of things. Why? Because they're not grounded on fact and evidence.. they are grounded on speculation. Why is it so hard for you to understand? We're shitting on you because you have posted a number of things which tries to link certain things happening in this world to the prevalence of an Illuminati influence, and articles that are VERY vague.

So obviously there would heaps of people that have debunked these outlandish claims of "mine", becuase they have been around for ages, and theres nothing new to them ? Right ?

So come on, I'm waiting....otherwise, keep your mouth shut, becuase the whole board knows your opinion, and if you do not have any inoformative information to put into it, you are just showing your class. The class of a Dog.

Get fucked, idiot.

Ok.

 

[tupac4li4e]

Let me put it like this: you are clearly convinced that there is a shady cabal of people who run the planet. Explain to us why you're convinced, and show us what convinced you.

If I wanted to explain evolution to someone who didn't accept it, I wouldn't just say "humans evolved from ape-like creatures, do some research". I'd provide evidence, from reputable sources. You need to do the same if you expect anyone to take you seriously.

Posted by Illu.

Yeah I know, I wasn't ignoring her post. But at the same time like i said I want people to look this up for themselves.

I will get around to it.

Ok.

You answering for your Boy Masta ? LOL. Those piggyback rides must be giving you all sore backs by now ?

Nevermind, you can all jump into the hotub together and stroke each others.....ego's

 

[SiGh]

Yeah I know, I wasn't ignoring her post. But at the same time like i said I want people to look this up for themselves.

I will get around to it.

Well, I'd like to know, so I will be waiting for you to post the information.

Let the back and forth of the bickering/name calling go, it's not adding to the discussion and its only going to get this thread closed.

So when you do get a chance please enlighten me (or us) with your findings.

 

[tupac4li4e]

Ok, I'll start posting some links........

Obviously nobody is looking anything up for themselves and it's a bit disapointing, but anyhoo.

I'll do it bit by bit so you can start disecting it bit by bit if you wish.........

After some links, I'll write some recommendations for some books and youtube vids/links.

Some of the info I have pasted thus far is from here.....

13 Bloodlines of The Illuminati

I'll wait for a few replies then post up some others..... actually I'll do two at a time...so here's another source...

http://www.illuminati-news.com/index.htm

When replying, can you please put in the subect RE: First site or Second site etc so I know which you're talking about.

Cheers, and yes Sigh I am all for the bickering to stop, try telling that to some others around here though, pffft. But I'm done, it's a waste of energy, I've had my say on them.

 

[Duke]

ahahahah, I just caught the last part of Dukes reply. Very creative "Duke".

Along the same level of maturity..... so that you may be able to understand me.......calling me small cocked isn't going to make yours any bigger Dukey boy, and what the fuck kind of name is Duke anyway, you pack hunting, weak ass, cockhead that couldn't insult a 5 yr old girl even if he tried, wannabe fuckhead that think's he has all the answers, always talks shit about my threads, that can't disprove shit and the only way that you can get your point across is mostly by posting useless, repetitive boring ass, bible legth posts such as in the other thread, mummas boy fag, that can go to hell cos your one motherfucking pathetic know it all, know nothing....pathetic loser.

Duke, sums it up.

P.S If I call someone a "Duke" from now on ^ that's what I mean.

You still didn't get it. My post wasn't meant as a direct diss, in fact I'll wager everything isn't true (apart from the small-cocked, thats a realistic possibility).

What you do, is post paragraphs of txt, without context, sources or references. Then you claim that it holds (partial) truth or relevance.

In order to show you where the flaw lies with that method of debate, I concocted my little unfriendly story, which, surprise surprise, was an unsubstantiated bunch of sentences. Just like your Illuminati stories.



You post these things, wanting to spark discussion. When someone says "I think it's bullshit", you get hostile towards them.


Really, I cannot see how you haven't been able to connect the dots.