Illuminati, Secret Societies & Shadow Governments - Your Opinion Please !?
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Have you ever thought that these theories are written by a person sitting at their computer trying to connect dots using fictional people and groups? I mean these theories have no proof behind them, its just speculation with no facts behind them. Anyone can go around saying that they were once Illuminati members. Have you noticed anything about these people who come out as former Illuminati members? They've all written books. I don't think they're giving these books away or doing speeches for free...I wonder what their motive is...
Is it ? Did you actually read it, and perhaps look up some things for yourself ?
You must of, obviously, care to share any info, refuting that speculation ?
I eagerly await, because honestly, I soooooo wish it wasn't true, honestly.
You must of, obviously, care to share any info, refuting that speculation ?
I eagerly await, because honestly, I soooooo wish it wasn't true, honestly.
if i say "santa claus exists".. I can't stand there and say "prove to me he doesn't" without proving substantiating my claim with reasonable evidence, i.e. with showing proof that he exists.
i say it's all speculation because that's all it is. It's just someone offering their explanation for why certain things happen. Notice how it's basically a narrative? There's nothing concrete about what youve copied and pasted. It's the same with the events surrounding Tupacs death. Look how many theories etc have popped up since then . The same thing applies here. The information is flawed, it's unsubstantial, and until you come up with something more concrete, then this is nothing more than speculation which only fucking idiots would take as pure fact.
the problem is that youre already convinced that this shit is 100% correct. which makes you an idiot.
Dribble? That word kind of reminds me with what you keep coming up with in your replies, no offence, just saying.
A bit later on in the thread I will post a list of references and links for everyone to check out and hopefully some peeps if interested in the subject could do the same, for NOW, I want peeps to discuss this properly and perhaps do thier own research, as I was saying earlier.
And no, I wasn't using the internet censorship to "prove" the existence of the illuminati, I would appreciate it if you did not assume shit like that and basically put words into my mouth if you want to be serious about this discussion.
You will find it went like this.....
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Originally Posted by S O F I
I wish the Illuminati took away internet privileges.
"They could very well be starting to try......"
Thats what I said, so where you deduce that as me trying to prove thier existence I have no idea.
LOL, sebastian. You always talk in a very matter of fact kind of way about everything, just like when you replied "Hell fuck no" at the start of the thread, then editied it like a panzy because some others actually did see the possibilty, that's weakass IMO.
FYI Bush Snr used to openly talk up the New World Order, almost as if to piss in our faces it seems.
A bit later on in the thread I will post a list of references and links for everyone to check out and hopefully some peeps if interested in the subject could do the same, for NOW, I want peeps to discuss this properly and perhaps do thier own research, as I was saying earlier.
And no, I wasn't using the internet censorship to "prove" the existence of the illuminati, I would appreciate it if you did not assume shit like that and basically put words into my mouth if you want to be serious about this discussion.
You will find it went like this.....
Quote:
Originally Posted by S O F I
I wish the Illuminati took away internet privileges.
"They could very well be starting to try......"
Thats what I said, so where you deduce that as me trying to prove thier existence I have no idea.
LOL, sebastian. You always talk in a very matter of fact kind of way about everything, just like when you replied "Hell fuck no" at the start of the thread, then editied it like a panzy because some others actually did see the possibilty, that's weakass IMO.
FYI Bush Snr used to openly talk up the New World Order, almost as if to piss in our faces it seems.
I have, and like I said I have looked at all sides of the arguement, I fucking want it to be bullshit, did you not read when I said that ?
You want to talk motive ? Look around you, look at how society and governements are structured.
Your replies make you an "idiot" IMO.
What's the matter, you just being the same old stereotypical wanker that you usually are?
If you don't or can't prove me wrong, fine, your opinion is duelly noted and there is not much point for you to keep responding like this is there, unless you enjoy it? lol
I'm not asking anyone to take it as pure fact, and I don't either you "idiot". All I'm asking is, to discuss it, properly and if you find things to refute it PLEASE SHARE.
Otherwise, you are just looking like a hater
You want to talk motive ? Look around you, look at how society and governements are structured.
Your replies make you an "idiot" IMO.
What's the matter, you just being the same old stereotypical wanker that you usually are?
If you don't or can't prove me wrong, fine, your opinion is duelly noted and there is not much point for you to keep responding like this is there, unless you enjoy it? lol
I'm not asking anyone to take it as pure fact, and I don't either you "idiot". All I'm asking is, to discuss it, properly and if you find things to refute it PLEASE SHARE.
Otherwise, you are just looking like a hater
Yes I've read what you posted but there is no proof in what you posted. It's easy to say "Yeah, this is controlled by this and this and this is done so these people can control these people and..." and provide no evidence other than "I was a former Illuminati, I know this stuff". For a person who is anti-religious yourself I'm astonished how easily you can believe in these theories when there is no evidence provided.
Too true Seb, I stand corrected about the "hell fucking no" comment. Apologies.
It's not just one source or one thing I am basing this off Glock.
Yes I am anti religious, but as you are, I don;t see how you can just accept vaccinations "because they are free" and you wouldn't mind having a "few days off work" in regards to the side effects.
I know you said more about it, like you are getting it because it's proven to be safe or whatever, but I guess thats for the other thread.....do you mind posting some "safe" info about the Swine Flu Vacc ?
Thanks for the mature reply as well.
It's not just one source or one thing I am basing this off Glock.
Yes I am anti religious, but as you are, I don;t see how you can just accept vaccinations "because they are free" and you wouldn't mind having a "few days off work" in regards to the side effects.
I know you said more about it, like you are getting it because it's proven to be safe or whatever, but I guess thats for the other thread.....do you mind posting some "safe" info about the Swine Flu Vacc ?
Thanks for the mature reply as well.
I have, and like I said I have looked at all sides of the arguement, I fucking want it to be bullshit, did you not read when I said that ?
You want to talk motive ? Look around you, look at how society and governements are structured.
Your replies make you an "idiot" IMO.
What's the matter, you just being the same old stereotypical wanker that you usually are?
If you don't or can't prove me wrong, fine, your opinion is duelly noted and there is not much point for you to keep responding like this is there, unless you enjoy it? lol
I'm not asking anyone to take it as pure fact, and I don't either you "idiot". All I'm asking is, to discuss it, properly and if you find things to refute it PLEASE SHARE.
Otherwise, you are just looking like a hater
You want to talk motive ? Look around you, look at how society and governements are structured.
Your replies make you an "idiot" IMO.
What's the matter, you just being the same old stereotypical wanker that you usually are?
If you don't or can't prove me wrong, fine, your opinion is duelly noted and there is not much point for you to keep responding like this is there, unless you enjoy it? lol
I'm not asking anyone to take it as pure fact, and I don't either you "idiot". All I'm asking is, to discuss it, properly and if you find things to refute it PLEASE SHARE.
Otherwise, you are just looking like a hater
you STILL havent proven anything "right". and you conveniently ignored what i wrote about the burden of proof being on you because youre the one who's "trying to open our minds". Prove to me that this isnt pure speculation, and then this leaves this open for discussion. Use the theory of evolution as an example.. it's founded on evidence..proof.. which corroborates the theory.. which makes it credible.. hence why people shit on religion because it's based on speculation...i.e. nothing concrete to make it credible.
see what im getting at?
and how the fuck am i a stereotypical wanker? youre the one advocating this whole "open your mind shit" and to "question things". well , you retard, you would see im the one questioning something here. youve questioned the way the world works.. but youre not questioning the legitimacy of your sources, making you seem stupid. be consistent with your approach.
Exactly. youre implying that there's a link between what the Aussie government did and the existence of a NWO.
"They could very well be starting to try...." implies that you think there may be a link between the two. Again, speculation.
And thanks for proving my point.
All the sources are the same though thats the thing.
The vaccination thing is completely off this topic, but the side effects of the swine flu vaccine is so incredibly minimal than having the actual flu. There is a 99% chance of surviving the swine flu (CDC guy said that was the rate on 60 Minutes). Looks like good chances right? Well the Hong Kong Flu had a 99.5% chance of surviving but a MILLION people died from it and these people were 65 and older, the swine flu affects the young and healthy. I'd rather have microscopic lesions in my brain than have my lungs filled with fluid which later causes infections and causes my death.
The vaccination thing is completely off this topic, but the side effects of the swine flu vaccine is so incredibly minimal than having the actual flu. There is a 99% chance of surviving the swine flu (CDC guy said that was the rate on 60 Minutes). Looks like good chances right? Well the Hong Kong Flu had a 99.5% chance of surviving but a MILLION people died from it and these people were 65 and older, the swine flu affects the young and healthy. I'd rather have microscopic lesions in my brain than have my lungs filled with fluid which later causes infections and causes my death.
Ill, no Thank YOU, for proving my point. You like putting words into my mouth to try nd credit yourself and discredit me, don't you ? Oh well
Glock, fair enough, but I just can't see the same reasoning as you, in the way that I will get it, no chance.
Your opinions are duelly noted, thanks for inputting your thoughts and info thus far.
Stay True, until next time.
BBL.
Glock, fair enough, but I just can't see the same reasoning as you, in the way that I will get it, no chance.
Your opinions are duelly noted, thanks for inputting your thoughts and info thus far.
Stay True, until next time.
BBL.
Alright, I'm not trying to be a dick, but you're obviously criticizing everything that doesn't agree with you, and praising everything that does. I do believe in "secret groups" that have a large influence over many world affairs, I have been called a conspiracy theorist myself, I do believe 9/11 was completely executed by the Bush Admin, but, I'm not sold on all these things you're pitching.
Honestly, if you just wanted to see how many people agree with you, and how many don't, you should have just made this a poll. Yes, No, Maybe So. Just like you said you wanted it to be when you started the thread.
Honestly, if you just wanted to see how many people agree with you, and how many don't, you should have just made this a poll. Yes, No, Maybe So. Just like you said you wanted it to be when you started the thread.
Some Quotes for you to ponder......
“The New World Order is not a 'conspiracy' in the strictest sense of the term - it is an agenda. The agenda is orchestrated by a power elite that thinks it has the divine right to commandeer total control of your life. But who are 'they'? Who are the 'power elite'? The UN, the EU, the Council on Foreign Relations, the Bilderberg Group, the Trilateral Commission, the Rockefellers, the Rothschilds, the Royal Institute of International Affairs, the Club of Rome.
The list goes on and there have been many books written that cover the history of these groups and how they connect to each other … The agenda is a worldwide consolidation and centralization of power into the hands of an all-encompassing World Government. This system will evolve from the European Union, (already in place) the American Union, (derived from NAFTA) and the Asian Union. When these three models are in existence, they will be merged together to create the One World Government.”
What the hell, how about some of THIER own words?
“The individual is handicapped by coming face to face with a conspiracy so monstrous he cannot believe it exists.” -FBI Director J. Edgar Hoover
"Fifty men have run America and that's a high figure." -US Ambassador
Joseph P. Kennedy
Zbigneiw Brzezinski is a former U.S. National Security Advisor, Trilateral
Commission co-founder, member of the CFR, “It will soon be possible to assert almost continuous control over every citizen and to maintain up-to-date files, containing even the most personal details about health and personal behavior of every citizen in addition to the more customary data. These files will be subject to instantaneous retrieval by the authorities. Power will gravitate into the hands of those who control information. Our existing institutions will be supplanted by pre-crisis management institutions, the task of which will be to identify in advance likely social crises and to develop programs to cope with them. This will encourage tendencies through the next several decades toward a Technotronic Era, a Dictatorship leaving even less room for political procedures as we know them. Finally, looking ahead to the end of the century, the possibility of biochemical mind control and genetic tinkering with man, including beings which will function like men and reason like them as well, could give rise to some difficult questions.”
“The New World Order is not a 'conspiracy' in the strictest sense of the term - it is an agenda. The agenda is orchestrated by a power elite that thinks it has the divine right to commandeer total control of your life. But who are 'they'? Who are the 'power elite'? The UN, the EU, the Council on Foreign Relations, the Bilderberg Group, the Trilateral Commission, the Rockefellers, the Rothschilds, the Royal Institute of International Affairs, the Club of Rome.
The list goes on and there have been many books written that cover the history of these groups and how they connect to each other … The agenda is a worldwide consolidation and centralization of power into the hands of an all-encompassing World Government. This system will evolve from the European Union, (already in place) the American Union, (derived from NAFTA) and the Asian Union. When these three models are in existence, they will be merged together to create the One World Government.”
What the hell, how about some of THIER own words?
“The individual is handicapped by coming face to face with a conspiracy so monstrous he cannot believe it exists.” -FBI Director J. Edgar Hoover
"Fifty men have run America and that's a high figure." -US Ambassador
Joseph P. Kennedy
Zbigneiw Brzezinski is a former U.S. National Security Advisor, Trilateral
Commission co-founder, member of the CFR, “It will soon be possible to assert almost continuous control over every citizen and to maintain up-to-date files, containing even the most personal details about health and personal behavior of every citizen in addition to the more customary data. These files will be subject to instantaneous retrieval by the authorities. Power will gravitate into the hands of those who control information. Our existing institutions will be supplanted by pre-crisis management institutions, the task of which will be to identify in advance likely social crises and to develop programs to cope with them. This will encourage tendencies through the next several decades toward a Technotronic Era, a Dictatorship leaving even less room for political procedures as we know them. Finally, looking ahead to the end of the century, the possibility of biochemical mind control and genetic tinkering with man, including beings which will function like men and reason like them as well, could give rise to some difficult questions.”
You don't have to try Steethop I'm just fuckin with ya.
Yeah I know how I come off sometimes but I don't mean to criticize "everyone" that disagrees, it's just the way the "hater crew" do it, brings out pass shit that they used to do as well, so half the time the reaction is not only to what they are replying to in this thread.
They know who they are, and I'm not like that with everyone that disagree's with me, and yes I will praise people that are not afraid to keep thier mouth shut and express thier views but only if they do it in a civilised mannor.
If someone has the same line of thinking with me, sweet, and I'm not, not going to priase them in fear of looking like I only praise those who agree, and criticize those that don't, because....even though it may come off like that, it's not what I'm doing.
Thanks for dropping by Streethop
I'm just fuckin with ya.Yeah I know how I come off sometimes but I don't mean to criticize "everyone" that disagrees, it's just the way the "hater crew" do it, brings out pass shit that they used to do as well, so half the time the reaction is not only to what they are replying to in this thread.
They know who they are, and I'm not like that with everyone that disagree's with me, and yes I will praise people that are not afraid to keep thier mouth shut and express thier views but only if they do it in a civilised mannor.
If someone has the same line of thinking with me, sweet, and I'm not, not going to priase them in fear of looking like I only praise those who agree, and criticize those that don't, because....even though it may come off like that, it's not what I'm doing.
Thanks for dropping by Streethop
And, sorry, I'm not familiar with that website. Only tinfoilhat.org.....tis where I get all my info from, fool.
One cannot go about gathering information from one website, or many websites with the same source. Otherwise, everyone will have the same wrong information if that specific source is incorrect. That's the whole point of making a fucking essay with sources in high school,
....not to mention, as others have said, time and time again, you need EVIDENCE.
You can't give evidence? Why not? Why do WE have to take your opinion, or do the searching ourselves?
If you want an argument or debate on whether it is true or not, present us facts, with evidence. Right now, you are presenting 'facts' from an unknown source.
We should only do our research w/evidence if we want to debate your research w/ evidence.
Also, answer me this question: if they are controlling our society, why the fuck do they allow people to share information for so long if any random dude can pull it all together with it?
I got an idea, I'll 4chan the illuminati!
Hey Shadows,
I'm leaving it up to those that some of this may ring true with, we are all on a different path in life, and we are all at different points in those paths, so no matter WHAT I say or facts or evidence I present, especially in this forum, there are ALWAYS going to be those that can not possibly comprehend it, whether they choose not to, or if they do not have the mental capacity or foresight to see the forest for the trees (or whatever that saying is, lol). It's just the way it's always going to be.
I have never presented anything as FACT, I have never said, I'm right, your wrong all I want it is some actual conversations, that are not stereotypical and I want some people to start asking themselves some bigger questions than perhaps they are now.
If it rings true or strikes a chord with anyone, they will automatically go and do their own research I think, I hope.
The thing about secret societies are that they are so covert, that it's really hard to find definative sources of black and white concrete enidence, if you could, they would not be so secret.
However, if you start researching and correlating and looking at things form a larger perspective, you can soon start to connect the dots.
So look it up, don't, reply some more, or don't really I can't change anyone's mind here, that is not open to change, and I really don't want to, I'm just presenting some things for people to think about and to give them some clues as to why I think the way I do.
I have read a fair few books on it, not just internet sites and forums. But I do see what your saying, and it's relative so thanks for your input.
In regards to your last part of your post, I can not say for sure, but I guess with the explosion of the internet over the last 10-15 years, supressing information would indeed become increasingly difficult. Thank fuck for the net I say *quietly thankyou's fuck*
Oh, that site, LOL, wasn't real. I got a weird sense of humor at times, sorry for the confusion
I'm leaving it up to those that some of this may ring true with, we are all on a different path in life, and we are all at different points in those paths, so no matter WHAT I say or facts or evidence I present, especially in this forum, there are ALWAYS going to be those that can not possibly comprehend it, whether they choose not to, or if they do not have the mental capacity or foresight to see the forest for the trees (or whatever that saying is, lol). It's just the way it's always going to be.
I have never presented anything as FACT, I have never said, I'm right, your wrong all I want it is some actual conversations, that are not stereotypical and I want some people to start asking themselves some bigger questions than perhaps they are now.
If it rings true or strikes a chord with anyone, they will automatically go and do their own research I think, I hope.
The thing about secret societies are that they are so covert, that it's really hard to find definative sources of black and white concrete enidence, if you could, they would not be so secret.
However, if you start researching and correlating and looking at things form a larger perspective, you can soon start to connect the dots.
So look it up, don't, reply some more, or don't really I can't change anyone's mind here, that is not open to change, and I really don't want to, I'm just presenting some things for people to think about and to give them some clues as to why I think the way I do.
I have read a fair few books on it, not just internet sites and forums. But I do see what your saying, and it's relative so thanks for your input.
In regards to your last part of your post, I can not say for sure, but I guess with the explosion of the internet over the last 10-15 years, supressing information would indeed become increasingly difficult. Thank fuck for the net I say
*quietly thankyou's fuck*Oh, that site, LOL, wasn't real. I got a weird sense of humor at times, sorry for the confusion
The Frog and the Scientist.........
A scientist put a frog into hot water to see how it would react, and sure enough the frog immediately jumped out of the water. But when he put the same frog into lukewarm water which it liked, and heated the water very, very slowly, surprisingly enough the frog didn't jump out and got cooked. The frog didn't notice the gradually rising heat because it happened so slowly, and before it realized it, it was to late.
- I'm sure most of us have heard that before.... I think, a lot of us feel it's getting warmer (more controlled, more of the rich getting richer, the poor getting poorer, more lies, more propaganda) but it's happening in such a way, that we don't even care to realize it.
I know that this discussion isn't for the average person and by that I don't mean to put myself on some imaginary pedistool, but I think, for whatever reason, most just don't seem to really care enough to look into it properly.
Perhaps they are happy enough to be living thier own lives, the way they live it, and anything that comes along that may change that, or challenge thier long term views on the world are automatically shunned, can't say for sure just a feeling a get from some people sometimes.... and in general I know we as humans prefer security mostly, rather than something that is insecure, yep even if that "security" is false
If you really respect yourself, and your freedom, I strongly suggest you do some research into the things I have been bringing up. It will only do you good, as more knowledge is never a bad thing for any responsible person.
So, instead of talking shit, even if you do research to ONLY try and debunk these therories, thats cool. come back with what you find and share
P.S That was meant for anyone and everyone.
A scientist put a frog into hot water to see how it would react, and sure enough the frog immediately jumped out of the water. But when he put the same frog into lukewarm water which it liked, and heated the water very, very slowly, surprisingly enough the frog didn't jump out and got cooked. The frog didn't notice the gradually rising heat because it happened so slowly, and before it realized it, it was to late.
- I'm sure most of us have heard that before.... I think, a lot of us feel it's getting warmer (more controlled, more of the rich getting richer, the poor getting poorer, more lies, more propaganda) but it's happening in such a way, that we don't even care to realize it.
I know that this discussion isn't for the average person and by that I don't mean to put myself on some imaginary pedistool, but I think, for whatever reason, most just don't seem to really care enough to look into it properly.
Perhaps they are happy enough to be living thier own lives, the way they live it, and anything that comes along that may change that, or challenge thier long term views on the world are automatically shunned, can't say for sure just a feeling a get from some people sometimes.... and in general I know we as humans prefer security mostly, rather than something that is insecure, yep even if that "security" is false
If you really respect yourself, and your freedom, I strongly suggest you do some research into the things I have been bringing up. It will only do you good, as more knowledge is never a bad thing for any responsible person.
So, instead of talking shit, even if you do research to ONLY try and debunk these therories, thats cool. come back with what you find and share
P.S That was meant for anyone and everyone.
Wow.. very conclusive. Who wrote this? This person says "it not a conspiracy in the strictest sense - it is an agenda. An agenda orchestrated by a power elite..." What? The conspiracy is that this "agenda" exists in the first place. The person who wrote this has attempted to 'debunk' the idea of this being a conspiracy without actually explaining why it isn't a conspiracy...
And taking a number of quotes out of their context doesn't help your cause either. Anything can be taken out of context. Furthermore, the last quote by Brzezinski is a comment about the pitfalls of rapid technological advancement and its impact of society. Especially the last sentence which makes reference to the possibility of the creation of a being which will function like men and reason like them as well. This is merely alluding to how techonology may negatively impact our lives in the future, and has absolutely nothing to do with the existence of the NWO or the Illuminati.
Again what you have done here is pulled together a number of comments which can be misconstrued by you (either intentionally or unintentionally) to coincide with the point you are trying to make.
This is what I mean by you just swallowing all this shit up without, for a moment, questioning the integrity of what you are reading. To me, this is just common sense to acknowledge that certain things, when taken out of context, can be used to prove any point. That's just one example of how and why I am led to believe you're just a stupid ass nicca.
And until you respond with something a bit more substantial, instead of merely copying and pasting shit from conspiracy-theorist websites, I am going to continue to refer to you as a stupid ass nicca.
And don't use the whole "ohh you should do your own research" as a cop out, and then tell me you will "post a whole bunch of links later". You're using that to cover your ass because you realised that the sources you're obtaining all this half-assed bullshit from are totally biased and have absolutely no credibility and can't be substantiated. If I'm wrong, then prove me wrong, and I will apologise graciously. But until that happens, you are - for the moment - a stupid ass nicca
And taking a number of quotes out of their context doesn't help your cause either. Anything can be taken out of context. Furthermore, the last quote by Brzezinski is a comment about the pitfalls of rapid technological advancement and its impact of society. Especially the last sentence which makes reference to the possibility of the creation of a being which will function like men and reason like them as well. This is merely alluding to how techonology may negatively impact our lives in the future, and has absolutely nothing to do with the existence of the NWO or the Illuminati.
Again what you have done here is pulled together a number of comments which can be misconstrued by you (either intentionally or unintentionally) to coincide with the point you are trying to make.
This is what I mean by you just swallowing all this shit up without, for a moment, questioning the integrity of what you are reading. To me, this is just common sense to acknowledge that certain things, when taken out of context, can be used to prove any point. That's just one example of how and why I am led to believe you're just a stupid ass nicca.
And until you respond with something a bit more substantial, instead of merely copying and pasting shit from conspiracy-theorist websites, I am going to continue to refer to you as a stupid ass nicca.
And don't use the whole "ohh you should do your own research" as a cop out, and then tell me you will "post a whole bunch of links later". You're using that to cover your ass because you realised that the sources you're obtaining all this half-assed bullshit from are totally biased and have absolutely no credibility and can't be substantiated. If I'm wrong, then prove me wrong, and I will apologise graciously. But until that happens, you are - for the moment - a stupid ass nicca
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